(05-24-2016, 02:00 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Pretty much, Brown.

Vast majority of great players you know fairly early. 2 years or so.

(05-23-2016, 10:53 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: So I guess we are completely disregarding Eiffert during these rankings?

I mean, I know you said wide receivers, but Eiffert is one of our top receiving weapons on offense...

(05-24-2016, 09:33 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Because the rest of the post was silly. I'm not saying Boyd will be a OBJ. He's just easily going to cover the very little production Sanu had. There's a lot more WRs that have potential that comes out of college that goes over 400 yards 0 TDs than there isn't.

And contracts don't mean anything. If it did then people like Tom Brady would be making a LOT more money. Saying someone is getting paid more than other person and that's why they're better is a horrible argument.

(05-25-2016, 11:46 AM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: That wasn't my argument at all, but I'm not surprised you didn't understand since your reading comprehension is pretty low (or maybe didn't even read it at all). Teams valued MLJ and Sanu more than Lafell, and that's facts as you say. You can't argue that those teams overpaid for Jones, since Cincy would have paid the same for Jones (which came out of their own mouths) AKA they DO think Jones is better than Lafell. If you are still reading (i'm impressed!) then I wish you would go back and read what I have been f****** saying this whole post. I'm not saying Jones is that much better than Lafell, I'm saying Jones fit his role here. We don't know if Lafell will compliment Green as well as Jones did. He has done well elsewhere and will have a good opportunity to do well here, but until it actually happens they are worse at that position than last year.

Also, I'm curious, just out of the blue. If Green, Lafell and Eifert all went down with injuries for whatever reason this year, how well do you think Boyd will do? Throw me a statline for like 10 games of Boyd alone out there.

(05-25-2016, 07:02 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The amount of money isn't the same as the organization thinking that the played is valued higher. LaFell was released form the patriots well after free agency started, and most teams already spent their free agency money, so prices for players go down. I'm sure you would know that if you knew how football free agency worked, but it seems like you don't. Not a big surprise at all really. The fact that you're just assuming that they're worse players just because he's getting paid more "AKA they DO think Jones is better than LaFell" because of his contract is pretty silly honestly. Plus, you don't know if LaFell will be a better fit in our system or not. You're just blindly guessing, and then assuming you're correct.

It really doesn't matter how well I think Boyd would do w/o Green, LaFell, and Eifert since that's a very unlikely scenario. It's asking a question that there's no way to show if it was going to be true by the end of the year, unless that very unlikely scenario happens.

(05-25-2016, 07:15 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Deflection deflection deflection.

If anyone is blindly guessing, its you, but what can I expect form the most blind homer on this board. I DO KNOW what MLJ and Sanu did here in this offense, I don't know what Lafell is capable of doing in this offense, that makes you the one guessing. Also once again, you completely disregard that my argument is about how teams value players, not about the money given to them but about the potential that other teams pay outright more for. You telling me that if Lafell was there at the opening of FA that the Lions or Flacons would have paid the same or more for him? No, my point is perfectly valid, you just don't want to admit it because it would make you wrong.

The comment about Boyd was to point out that Sanu was able to produce under the worst circumstances. You keep bringing up Sanu's 400 yards and 0Tds, but what do you expect from the 4th sometimes 5th option on most passing plays. Of course Sanu didn't produce when there are the options of Green, Eifert, Jones, and Gio all hungry for the ball. However, when all of those were gone and Sanu was called upon, he had a decent season. Do you think Boyd can do that? mmmm DEFLECTION.

It's ok, tell me how 'silly' I am, and try to make yourself feel better. The way you debate isn't healthy for anyone involved.

(05-25-2016, 07:35 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: I'm not guessing. I know that LaFell has produced more than Jones in his career. I know that LaFell has been more durable than Jones in his career. A good offense can make any player fit in their system, and when LaFell has proven that he's statistically better than Jones it's easy to fit him in the system. Obviously the Bengals think that LaFell fits just fine in the system, otherwise they wouldn't have signed him. Yes, LaFell would have been given a similar deal as Jones or Sanu (maybe even more) if he was on the market when teams still had free agency money in their coffers.

Boyd would probably have better stats than Sanu if he was in Sanu's circumstances. For one, I know that Boyd wouldn't have even close to the drop rate as Sanu did that year (the highest drop % in the league with at least 50 receptions). With a Green out there just as a decoy, and the run gaming going off like it did would make it easy for any receiver to do that.

(05-26-2016, 01:08 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote:

Lafell needs a new agent and the Bengals made out like bandits! You sir, are so blind.

(05-26-2016, 01:08 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote:

Lafell needs a new agent and the Bengals made out like bandits! You sir, are so blind.

(05-26-2016, 01:08 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote:

Lafell needs a new agent and the Bengals made out like bandits! You sir, are so blind.

(05-26-2016, 08:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I can sincerely say that I believe LaFell > Sanu. 

Just because the Falcons foolishly and desperately overpaid doesn't mean he's a better player.

And fwiw, I think the Lions overpaid for MLJ thanks to the sudden retirement of Calvin. I have a good feeling that LaFell is going to put up 700+ yards, look like a total bargain, and some of you will be eating your words by December.

(05-26-2016, 08:45 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I tend to agree.  LaFell is at the least, good material to have to work with.  When you add in the fact that he is going to be the complimentary receiver to one of the best in the league, and Andy Dalton is a fully mature veteran, I'd be willing to bet that LaFell will have good production this season.  Then, when you factor in Eifert having the ankle surgery, LaFell's physical stature will be another asset to compliment Green in the Red Zone.

(05-26-2016, 08:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I can sincerely say that I believe LaFell > Sanu. 

Just because the Falcons foolishly and desperately overpaid doesn't mean he's a better player.

And fwiw, I think the Lions overpaid for MLJ thanks to the sudden retirement of Calvin. I have a good feeling that LaFell is going to put up 700+ yards, look like a total bargain, and some of you will be eating your words by December.

(05-27-2016, 11:47 AM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: People just misinterpret everything that happens on this board.

If I think MLJ is better than Lafell, it doesn't mean I don't think Lafell can put up 700+ yards and be a bargain. It means that if MLJ was here I think he would put up more yards and more TDs.

Lafell > Sanu, certainly, but Lafell came in to replace MLJ, not Sanu. I do agree with you that both teams overpaid for those guys, and I don't really believe this WR class was a strong one in FA this year.

However, I still believe the combination of Sanu + Jones would be a better fit THIS YEAR than Boyd + Lafell.

(05-27-2016, 01:00 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Of course MLJ + Sanu would be a better fit for 2016. LaFell is going to need a little time to get comfortable and Boyd is a rookie. We're comparing these two with a couple guys that spent 4 years in our system building chemistry.

That said, I don't think there's going to be much difference production-wise. 390 yards and 0 TDs (Sanu) should be easy to eclipse for Boyd. MLJ had 816 yards and 4 scores last year. I'm very confident LaFell can come close to matching those totals.

The biggest difference isn't going to be in production. We're probably going to see a few miscommunications early on. LaFell will probably have (literally) a couple more bounce of his hands. Not a huge deal at all. It might affect a small handful of drives. LaFell and Boyd could also have strengths that MLJ and Sanu didn't have. Boyd has better hands than Sanu. LaFell has championship experience and is bigger/more physical than MLJ.

I realize that there is potential for some drop off. I just think that people may be exaggerating how steep that drop off will be. At this point I have enough faith in the coaches and Andy Dalton to believe they will make the transition easier. I have faith that our scouts coaches, etc made the right choices in Boyd and LaFell. Just as they did when they drafted MLJ and Sanu.