(08-21-2016, 11:11 AM)Go Cards Wrote: He scored it, he can do what he chooses. It was his moment in the sun, not theirs.

Seems he is getting more talk about it by doing nothing than if he would have spiked it and danced actually.

(08-21-2016, 12:09 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: There have been lots of complaints about showboating and celebrating, and comments that they can ruin a team.

Not one complaint about riding the Ickey Shuffle to the SB though.

Interesting.

(08-21-2016, 12:09 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: There have been lots of complaints about showboating and celebrating, and comments that they can ruin a team.

Not one complaint about riding the Ickey Shuffle to the SB though.

Interesting.

(08-21-2016, 12:09 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: There have been lots of complaints about showboating and celebrating, and comments that they can ruin a team.

Not one complaint about riding the Ickey Shuffle to the SB though.

Interesting.

(08-21-2016, 01:58 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It's silly that some people think celebrating a TD somehow has some kind of cancerous effect on the team. Antonio Brown celebrates all the time, so is he having some mysterious negative effect on the Stoolers? Of course not.

That said, if Hill not dancing somehow means he's on a mission to redeem himself (which is how I took it), then I'm all for it. I have absolutely zilch against celebrating though.

Many great players from Rodgers to Watt to Brown celebrate everything from first downs to TDs. Fwiw, I loved when Hill did the shuffle. It showed appreciation for the fans and our history. Contrary to what many fans probably think, most of these young players have no knowledge of team history.

(08-21-2016, 01:33 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: This is a false statement.  I said the Johnson Circus, which led to the Johnson/Owens Dog and Pony Show, infected the team with resentment and animosity per Whit and Peko.

(08-21-2016, 01:58 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It's silly that some people think celebrating a TD somehow has some kind of cancerous effect on the team. Antonio Brown celebrates all the time, so is he having some mysterious negative effect on the Stoolers? Of course not. Heck, the Steelers rub first downs in opponent's faces, probably as an intimidation thing.

That said, if Hill not dancing somehow means he's on a mission to redeem himself (which is how I took it), then I'm all for it. I have absolutely zilch against celebrating though.

Many great players from Rodgers to Watt to Brown celebrate everything from first downs to TDs. Fwiw, I loved when Hill did the shuffle. It showed appreciation for the fans and our history. Contrary to what many fans probably think, most of these young players have no knowledge of team history.

(08-21-2016, 10:42 AM)Go Cards Wrote: It can be said that it is much easier for a WR to put up big #'s on a mediocre team.

If you are always losing and the defense plays prevent while your offense passes almost exclusively in 4th, the #'s get exaggerated. This is why mostly only winners are remembered in history. 

(08-21-2016, 02:32 PM)treee Wrote: What it comes down to is playing football should come first. When Chad was here he would be doing little bullshit celebrating after a first down, let alone a TD. Chad's number one priority eventually became to be the spotlight. Hill, on the other hand, only celebrates when he scores TDs and he is just having fun. That said, I'm fine with whatever Hill decides to do after a TD at this point as long as he keeps his nose the grindstones and makes it up to Cincy for last year.

(08-21-2016, 02:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't recall Whit or Peko every saying anything like this.  They may have said something about then '09 season, but as far as I know neither of them never singled out Chad, and if they did they had no problem before '09.

Do you have any links?


Plus celebrating a td does not cause a cancer in a locker room.  A player can be a locker room cancer without ever celebrating a td, and on the other hand the most popular guy on the team could be the one that celebrates the most.

(08-21-2016, 09:56 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Plus he would had at least one good year elsewhere if he was as great as everybody claims. Chad had his day and now it is gone.

(08-21-2016, 09:56 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Oh and PS. The Bengals did win in 15. Just not a playoff game even if it was the closest they came since long before Chad.

(08-21-2016, 01:58 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It's silly that some people think celebrating a TD somehow has some kind of cancerous effect on the team. Antonio Brown celebrates all the time, so is he having some mysterious negative effect on the Stoolers? Of course not. Heck, the Steelers rub first downs in opponent's faces, probably as an intimidation thing.

That said, if Hill not dancing somehow means he's on a mission to redeem himself (which is how I took it), then I'm all for it. I have absolutely zilch against celebrating though.

Many great players from Rodgers to Watt to Brown celebrate everything from first downs to TDs. Fwiw, I loved when Hill did the shuffle. It showed appreciation for the fans and our history. Contrary to what many fans probably think, most of these young players have no knowledge of team history.

(08-21-2016, 04:28 PM)Nately120 Wrote: In all fairness you cite Palmer leaving as one of the reasons we got better after 2010 and he's still playing some very good football despite being 47 or so years old.  I tells ya changes were overdue, but that 2010 schedule could flatten a lot of teams and make 'em look lousy.



Meh, you want to discuss showboating...in that 2015 playoff game Burfict and company ran into the tunnel after the interception whooping it up and holding up the "#1" sign only to eventually lose the game.  I don't think celebrating lost us that game, but Steeler fans sure like rubbing that in.  What should have been a glorious moment turns out to be a humiliating reminder that pride goeth before the fall.

Did Burfict running into the tunnel make Hill fumble and the defense collapse?  No, but if celebrations are still anathema around here we need to call those guys out like we are Chad, don't we?  Has our culture changed enough?  People are still criticizing us for being showboaters with no discipline who can't win a real game.

EDIT:  I now see that you addressed this so I guess we are on the same page.  Interestingly I recall thinking it would be just our luck if Burfict hadn't actually been downed after the INT and he voluntarily ran the wrong way for a safety.  Not so, but he did manage to find another way to blow it at the end.  So again, great player but undisciplined.  Another decade of just throwing my hands and saying "Yep, that wasn't wise...sorry, we can't all be Steeler and Packers fans."  

Then again, Aaron Rodgers started doing that "championship belt" thing during a 6-10 season and not only is he NOT a cancerous bastard, but he gets to be the next "Flo the insurance spokesperson" because of it.  Meh, no fair.  Ugh and Antonio Brown...he does the dumbest most exaggerated "look at me and I don't care if the defense loses 15 yards because I'm on offense) celebrations and the clip is on every sports show and the same people who think Chad was a giant embarrassment are just praising the hell out of him.  

It all just seems so arbitrary on what is OK and what isn't OK.  It's not winning, because Cam Newton was lambasted last year for showboating when he was legitimately the best player in the NFL at the time and undefeated for most of the season.  Is it race?  Well, Antonio Brown seems to get a pass.  So maybe you just have to be on the Steelers or the Packers for people to find your braggadocious bs endearing?

(08-21-2016, 06:51 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Notin wrong with celebrating TD's. But when you send the other team mallox the week of the game and then get shut down by the Browns. 
Then you are not backing up your mouth and need restrain yourself.
Or if you punch a coach at halftime of a playoff game you are winning because your feelings are hurt because the ball was not thrown to you as much as you believe it should have been. 

Or throw sideline tantrum. 

Then you are just an egg and are a detriment to the team. 

Do not believe Whit, Peko, and Marvin are all wrong. They seem like stand up people to me. 

(08-21-2016, 08:49 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I think Marv (and I guess Whit) grew tired of him by the end. I don't think we as fans should judge Chad's entire 10 year Bengals career on how 2-3 guys felt at the tail end of it though. Chad was without a doubt a key piece of the teams that led the Bengals out of the abyss, and for me, that outweighs a few isolated incidents and the feelings of a couple people.

As AJ Green recently said, "Chad paved the way". Sad when he can show appreciation that many of our fans lack. It seems so negative to me.

(08-21-2016, 08:49 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I think Marv (and I guess Whit) grew tired of him by the end. I don't think we as fans should judge Chad's entire 10 year Bengals career on how 2-3 guys felt at the tail end of it though. Chad was without a doubt a key piece of the teams that led the Bengals out of the abyss, and for me, that outweighs a few isolated incidents and the feelings of a couple people.

As AJ Green recently said, "Chad paved the way". Sad when he can show appreciation that many of our fans lack. It seems so negative to me.

(08-21-2016, 01:58 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It's silly that some people think celebrating a TD somehow has some kind of cancerous effect on the team. Antonio Brown celebrates all the time, so is he having some mysterious negative effect on the Stoolers? Of course not. Heck, the Steelers rub first downs in opponent's faces, probably as an intimidation thing.

That said, if Hill not dancing somehow means he's on a mission to redeem himself (which is how I took it), then I'm all for it. I have absolutely zilch against celebrating though.

Many great players from Rodgers to Watt to Brown celebrate everything from first downs to TDs. Fwiw, I loved when Hill did the shuffle. It showed appreciation for the fans and our history. Contrary to what many fans probably think, most of these young players have no knowledge of team history.