(12-19-2016, 05:02 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Dalton's "drummer boys" are probably where OP was for the last 2 weeks (and most of the season outside of maybe 3 games).

Seriously though, my stance hasn't changed. Dalton is having a fine season...especially considering the circumstances. The RZ passing has been my biggest gripe with him this season, but I think that's more of a problem with the offense itself. Dalton threw 60 TDs in 12-13, and he threw 25 in 12 games last year. So Dalton has already proven he can get the ball in the EZ in the past.

People blaming Dalton right now are no better than Detroit fans who wanted to trade Stafford last year. The Lions shit-canned their OC, brought in Jim Bob Cooter, and voila! Stafford's been dominating ever since. Look...We've all seen what Dalton is capable of. If he's not producing at or near that level, that's a coaching (and blocking issue). Same as with Stafford last year, who was getting beat to death and playing in a dysfunctional offense.

As for this particular game, we had no AJ, the Steelers schemed away Eifert and Boyd. Hill had like 20 carries for 40 yards. What was Dalton supposed to do? He scored 20 points, which is more than what the "hero" did in January.






I feel like your backed in a corner but you will never admit it!  You have supported Andy with every excuse in the book. No matter how bad he plays your going to look somewhere else. This goes for many Bengals fans.   Its fine if you like the guy.  I think Andy is a great person but his play stinks.

(12-19-2016, 11:04 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Why dance around the question? How many QBs do you think could've led this team to a winning record? List them.

(12-19-2016, 11:51 PM)Utts Wrote: Eli? It's posts like this, that kept me away all season. No doubt my absence was a boon for this kind of crazy talk.

(12-19-2016, 11:24 PM)Utts Wrote: Take away MLJ and Mo Sanu. Take away Hugh. Give him a crap line. What do you get? Exactly.

(12-19-2016, 11:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Besides the obvious suspects: Brady, Rogers, Brees, Ben. I'd say a few of the more mobile QBs would have done well for us. Wilson, Newton, Marriota, and Luck. i actually think Taylor and Tannehill would have done better for us, but that's reaching.

I left out the young guys like Carr, Winston, and Prescott. Conversely some of the better QBs in the league may not have gotten us to 5: Rivers, Palmer, Ryan

(12-19-2016, 10:56 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: AAron Rodgers easily.  He has crap at three RB position wr are banged up but there he is carrying a Packers team to the playoffs again.  That guy is clutch 

(12-19-2016, 11:47 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: We are averaging 20.6 points a game. We are allowing 20.9 points a game. Our QB has (had) the 25th worst QB rating in the 4th quarter. Just a smidge of improvement in the redzone and 4th quarter and those L's start turning in to W's. 

Brady for sure
Rottenturd for sure
Flachoe for sure
Mariota for sure (Titans are 8-6)
Luck for sure
Carr for sure
Rivers one of the worst teams in the league, they have equaled our current win total 
Dak more than likely
Eli more than likely, total chicken shit under pressure, but Marshall Newhouse is a starter on their OL
Cousins for sure
Stafford usually a loser, has Detroit heading towards the playoffs
Rodgers for sure
Ryan more than likely, playing out of his mind this year
Winston for sure (Bucs are 8-6)
Brees for sure
Newton for sure
Wilson for sure
Tannehill? Dolphins are worse than us but have a better record.
Tyrod? He beat us, our team is better. 

Wait. Since we are time traveling can I cut Nugent too before he costs us a make believe W?

(12-20-2016, 12:29 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Awesome. Let's go get him then. I'd love to have him.


How many of that list have the following?

- a run game that ranks 21st or worse in YPC
- bottom 3 in sacks allowed
- missing at least 12 games of their top 2 receivers

Hell, some on that list have a losing record this year. Why do you think that is? 

(12-20-2016, 01:05 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Super Bowl hangover is real. Saints suck and Chargers suck. Panthers saints and chargers are all in the top 5 of most points allowed. 

(12-19-2016, 03:47 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Just wondering where the Andy Dalton little drummer boys are? Do we put any of yesterdays loss on our QB? Or do we have some excuses?

Andy is an above average QB most of the time. But his performances in big games leave a lot to be desired. And I am not sold he can get us over the hump.

Little tidbit from the Bengals homepage. Dalton was 25th in the league in 4th quarter passer rating going into the Steelers game. And put up a 47.9 yesterday.

Unless he has a couple more 157 yard games he should break the 4,000 yard mark this year. For only the 2nd time in his career. And he will be lucky to get 20 passing TDs.

It is not impossible to improve on Dalton like some around here seem to think. Absolutely things could be worse at QB. But we could also do better.

51.4
44.7
67.0
63.4
What are those? Dalton's QB rating in his playoff games.

Give a lot of QBs one of the best WRs in the game and one of the best TEs in the game and one of the best defenses. And they too will win games.

Dalton is solid and has a favorable contract. But what if he isn't the answer? AJ McCarron won the games he was supposed to win last year. And almost beat the eventual Super Bowl champs at their house and barely lost a playoff game that we should have won. We have a good team. A top QB would dominate with this team around him (and a non-shitbag head coach).

(12-20-2016, 03:27 AM)The Caped Crusader Wrote: Phenomenal. Another one of these threads with guys passing around passer ratings, low yardage and blaming all the issues on the QB. Sheesh, does this get tiring pointing out the numerous flaws in this logic.

Half these receivers commentators can't even say their name right because nobody has no idea who they are. The best receiver we have had the last few games? The New England Patriots didn't even want him. Let that stand there for a moment.

I'm tired of everyone blaming Dalton.

(12-20-2016, 04:07 AM)bengalsturntup926 Wrote: Now i think the coaching needs changed first. But i think some drastic change needs to be made somewhere. New coaching or better QB play. One or the other.

I have explained this time and time again.  Dalton doesnt really have the skills to be a pocket passer!!  Why i like mccaron better is he does have the proper mechanics.  Dalton needs pre determined plays. Did you notice alot of that in hues system?  Lots of screens, seem routes, slants, flankers. He didnt have to drop back and scan the field. Use his feet to manuver, sidestep pressure.go through all his reads. Dalton will never be that!!  When any type of pressure comes, dalton quits looking downfield,he tucks the ball. A pocket passer is still trying to make a passing play. Dalton does not, he usually scrambles around, either to a sack or goes to his right and finds someone on the right or throws out of bounds. Also Dalton is eratic in accuracy. Overrall hes not very accurate which bugs me.

On the other hand mccaron is more accurate. Just go to mccaron sports science on youtube, you will see hes 80% for 20 yard passes.  Now leader i also think mccaron is more of that also.  Dalton is too nice, dalton would never get mad at his ream, or show you hes going to make sure we will make a play and demand it. And prove it. Mccaron yelled at his center in a championship game. Dalton would just look at the OC. Mccqron is used to a program you better win or else. Under the lights, in a big conference, dalton came from a tcu christian school. Great guy, but too nice.  Ive seen nice peyton manning get mad at his team on youtube on sound efx.

Maybe we need new coaching, another hue to work with dalton. Maybe we need a QB whisperer coach who actually talks to dalton. Marvin never does ,he probably dont know shit compared to jon gruden on offense. Ive seen more then enough of dalton crumbling under pressure like the ginger bread man. Fumbles, ints, batted down balls, sacks.you name it.  SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE or we will continue to watch this same story believe me.

(12-20-2016, 04:24 AM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Actually, Dalton struggles more in predetermined plays. We've seen it before. Those types of routes don't mean they're "predetermined". Predetermined throws and reading the defense presnap are very different. And numerous analysts have stated that Dalton is one of the best in the league at that. Also, hard to sidestep pressure when it's up the middle and you have a below average center and the worst starting RT in the league.

When Dalton scrambles this year, it's either been a throw away or a pass. Also, lots of QBs do those types of throws when they leave the pocket like that.

McCarron came from Alabama. You could name NFL players on that roster. Outside of Dalton, can you name one other TCU player that went into the NFL? He led the TCU Bullfrogs to an undefeated season his senior year and won the Rose Bowl. He only lost 3 games in his sophmore, junior, and senior year. Won 3 bowl games out of 4.

McCarron really isn't that good. I'm not going to watch a YouTube video when you can watch how he is in the NFL. He struggled a lot with accuracy and also had "predetermined" throws, as you like to call it. McCarron also had poor pocket awareness as he took 15 sacks in 5 games compared to Dalton's 20 sacks in 13 games. McCarron also struggles to read defenses that aren't man coverage. He struggled a lot against the Steelers and Broncos when they both did it. He works well in man coverage defenses.

And you're sitting here saying "I've seen Manning get mad on YouTube", and it sounds like that's where you're getting your info. YouTube and just what you read.
Meanwhile, if you would watch games, you would see numerous times where Dalton would yell at lineman or officials or even receivers. You would have seen him fired up. I mean, did you watch the first Steelers game? Have you watched him chew out the center after a bad snap?

McCarron isn't going to start here and will be the next Brock Osweiler/Matt Flynn if he becomes a starter. He's a game manager that needs a good team around him for him to actually win. He beat a Blaine Gabbert and Ryan Mallet led team. That's it.

(12-20-2016, 04:24 AM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Actually, Dalton struggles more in predetermined plays. We've seen it before. Those types of routes don't mean they're "predetermined". Predetermined throws and reading the defense presnap are very different. And numerous analysts have stated that Dalton is one of the best in the league at that. Also, hard to sidestep pressure when it's up the middle and you have a below average center and the worst starting RT in the league.

When Dalton scrambles this year, it's either been a throw away or a pass. Also, lots of QBs do those types of throws when they leave the pocket like that.

McCarron came from Alabama. You could name NFL players on that roster. Outside of Dalton, can you name one other TCU player that went into the NFL? He led the TCU Bullfrogs to an undefeated season his senior year and won the Rose Bowl. He only lost 3 games in his sophmore, junior, and senior year. Won 3 bowl games out of 4.

McCarron really isn't that good. I'm not going to watch a YouTube video when you can watch how he is in the NFL. He struggled a lot with accuracy and also had "predetermined" throws, as you like to call it. McCarron also had poor pocket awareness as he took 15 sacks in 5 games compared to Dalton's 20 sacks in 13 games. McCarron also struggles to read defenses that aren't man coverage. He struggled a lot against the Steelers and Broncos when they both did it. He works well in man coverage defenses.

And you're sitting here saying "I've seen Manning get mad on YouTube", and it sounds like that's where you're getting your info. YouTube and just what you read.
Meanwhile, if you would watch games, you would see numerous times where Dalton would yell at lineman or officials or even receivers. You would have seen him fired up. I mean, did you watch the first Steelers game? Have you watched him chew out the center after a bad snap?

McCarron isn't going to start here and will be the next Brock Osweiler/Matt Flynn if he becomes a starter. He's a game manager that needs a good team around him for him to actually win. He beat a Blaine Gabbert and Ryan Mallet led team. That's it.