(02-13-2017, 01:02 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Just curious, but if it really is that simple then why do so few teams succeed on any type of consistent basis?

(02-12-2017, 08:49 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Not peeing on his fans and calling it rain would be a start. He could've just focused on being unhappy with the results and striving to be better. Instead he rattled off cherry picked stats as a means to defend results that are mediocre overall - at best. I guess when you opt to keep employing a coach that the rest of the world thinks should've been fired 3 years ago, you have to justify it in your own mind somehow. Just don't expect fans - or anyone else - to buy the BS.

(02-13-2017, 10:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What stats were Cherry pick?

I'm sure OP complained about Marvin and Alexander (he can correct me if I'm wrong). If he would have complained about Andy, would it be cherry picking to not include his post-season performances? Or if he complained about Eifert's durability would it be cherry-picking to point to his dominance when healthy?

Bottom-line Mr Brown gave a thoughtful and courteous reply. Folks are just mad. 

(02-13-2017, 10:23 PM)bfine32 Wrote: What stats were Cherry pick?

I'm sure OP complained about Marvin and Alexander (he can correct me if I'm wrong). If he would have complained about Andy, would it be cherry picking to not include his post-season performances? Or if he complained about Eifert's durability would it be cherry-picking to point to his dominance when healthy?

Bottom-line Mr Brown gave a thoughtful and courteous reply. Folks are just mad. 

(02-13-2017, 06:33 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If its that hard to win a playoff game why dont other teams go 27 years without one?

I guess we just have bad luck?

(02-13-2017, 01:02 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Just curious, but if it really is that simple then why do so few teams succeed on any type of consistent basis?

(02-14-2017, 09:38 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: We're human and make mistakes?

(02-14-2017, 01:29 PM)grampahol Wrote: It could have been worse.
He could have written back to say, "I'm the team owner and don't care what you or anyone else thinks so crawl back into the fan hole you came from and stop pestering me. And one more letter from you and I'll move the team to Guatemala."
Thankfully that didn't happen..

(02-14-2017, 02:19 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: So first you say he wasn't cherry picking, then you seem to be making the argument that it's okay to cherry pick because he was answering a question

cher·ry-pick
ˈCHerēˌpik/
verb
gerund or present participle: cherry-picking
1.
selectively choose (the most beneficial items) from what is available.

Using Marv's record over the last 6 years is cherry picking. It's taking his best regular season stretch, and ignoring his previous 8 years as well as his playoff record - which is why most folks "just want to be mad".

Bringing up 1000 yard rushers as a defense for PA is asinine. That's a very archaic way of judging rushing success. We could have a 1000 yard rusher and be among the least efficient and productive rush offenses in the league. That's actually happened many times over the last decade.

I think it's very thoughtful of Mike to actually take time to write back disgruntled fans himself. He doesn't seem like a bad person at all. That doesn't make his thought process any less frustrating though. I get that you probably agree with him - at the very least on Marv. Maybe on Paul too.

(02-14-2017, 09:25 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Seriously, bfine? 

Did he somehow forget the years before his 5 year run? Why was that not taken into consideration? Is he taking all the bad years, throwing them out the window, and saying "see, he's a top 6 coach if you take all the bad years away". Because that's totally logical. 


It's insulting and really shows his thought process when making these decisions, and it's rather pathetic.

(02-14-2017, 05:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He is not cherry picking he is taking the half decade plus in its entirety. I could see "cherry picking" if he tried to eliminate a couple years during that stretch, due to injury, ect.... or pointed to some good things Marvin did early in his Bengal career.  He didn't do that. he also didn't just bring up 1,000 yard rushers as a defense for PA, he also mentioned keeping the QB clean. What of those were cheery picked?

ANYBODY type me up a response that would have appeased them, while retaining Marvin and Alexander. WTS, I thin PA is well past his prime and they should have parted ways with Marvin at the end of this season.  

(02-13-2017, 11:04 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: You guys act like the man receives thousands of letters. I bet he gets a small handful a week, if that.

(02-14-2017, 01:29 PM)grampahol Wrote: It could have been worse.
He could have written back to say, "I'm the team owner and don't care what you or anyone else thinks so crawl back into the fan hole you came from and stop pestering me. And one more letter from you and I'll move the team to Guatemala."
Thankfully that didn't happen..

(02-14-2017, 09:26 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Maybe that's the problem? He's old school and if he receives more letters than he can respond to, then he will feel the urge to make a change, or have a feeling this business is too much for him to manage? I believe we should call for every fan to write their concerns to him ASAP and inform him of our displeasure in his direction. Whats the friggin address? I will write as well!

(02-14-2017, 01:29 PM)grampahol Wrote: It could have been worse.
He could have written back to say, "I'm the team owner and don't care what you or anyone else thinks so crawl back into the fan hole you came from and stop pestering me. And one more letter from you and I'll move the team to Guatemala."
Thankfully that didn't happen..

(02-14-2017, 04:54 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Honestly I'd welcome that. Good excuse to pick out a team with competent management.

Or just be a casual fan like I am with the NBA.

(02-14-2017, 05:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He is not cherry picking he is taking the half decade plus in its entirety. I could see "cherry picking" if he tried to eliminate a couple years during that stretch, due to injury, ect.... or pointed to some good things Marvin did early in his Bengal career.  He didn't do that. he also didn't just bring up 1,000 yard rushers as a defense for PA, he also mentioned keeping the QB clean. What of those were cheery picked?

ANYBODY type me up a response that would have appeased them, while retaining Marvin and Alexander. WTS, I thin PA is well past his prime and they should have parted ways with Marvin at the end of this season.  

(02-15-2017, 02:30 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: If you agree they should both be gone, I'm not sure what your battle is here. Of course people are going to be mad at any defense of those two. They should've been looking for jobs last month. So any defense of them is going to draw the ire of fans, especially when he's highlighting the success they've had, and not highlighting (and apologizing for) any negatives - which are significant. 

In short, writing letters is nice, but by not firing underperforming coaches (which is why the letter was written), Mike puts himself in a no-win situation. Words aren't going to make anyone happy at this point. He can either write a bunch of nothing and get a "blah" response, or he can make excuses and piss people off further.

(02-15-2017, 01:01 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I'm very seriously struggling to find hope and reasons to continue following this team under Mike Brown. I'm like 98% sure everything I'm fearing is going to transpire this off season.

We'll end up losing Zeitler, Burkhead, and Kirkpatrick. We'll retain most if not all of the dead weight - Maualuga, Peko, Hunt, Bodine. and Ogbuehi. And we'll keep the giant turd A. Jones. Paul Alexander will retain his position of Mike's fave and continue running the show on the O-line.

We'll sign nothing but a couple bottom of the barrel FA's and go into next season with very little changed ! We'll end up going 8-8 and Mike will sign ole Marvin up for a couple more seasons with the "improvement".

The story is never going to be any different until Mike is no longer in charge.

(02-14-2017, 05:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He is not cherry picking he is taking the half decade plus in its entirety. I could see "cherry picking" if he tried to eliminate a couple years during that stretch, due to injury, ect.... or pointed to some good things Marvin did early in his Bengal career.  He didn't do that. he also didn't just bring up 1,000 yard rushers as a defense for PA, he also mentioned keeping the QB clean. What of those were cheery picked?

ANYBODY type me up a response that would have appeased them, while retaining Marvin and Alexander. WTS, I thin PA is well past his prime and they should have parted ways with Marvin at the end of this season.