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RE: Happy Tampering Day - NUGDUKWE - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 05:30 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: The Bungles have ruined so many. People are defending this org’s nonsense.
I’m going to see how FA goes. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but thus far it’s not great. Borderline bad, frankly. Not over yet and as such, withholding my final grade. But we have a lot of work to do. A bunch.
Yes I've been mostly disappointed so far. We've found no way to improve our pass rush and have a massive question mark on trey that could make us significantly worse.
I fear we've reached the point in free agency of i assume offering insulting offers to the guards that are available. I'm joking but I do think we are worrying again about saving as much as possible. I just don't see how a guy like Zietler played a 1yr 6 mil dollar deal we can't just offer him a 2-3 year deal in the range of 10mil per and not get a deal done. It's just upsetting because I think we get 2 guards and sign our big 3 and we really set ourselves up for the draft. The pass rush may not still be that great depending on rookies to do most of the increase but it may be our best option at this point.
RE: BREAKING: Bengals give Trey Hendrickson permission to be traded - Joelist - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:30 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Wow, you really believe some random, shit posting account that has 0 traction and lies?
Click through Schefter and note there is zero mention of such a trade.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - pulses - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sounds good to me I like Ojulari better than Ossai.
Yeah I would def be on board with that too.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - RunKijanaRun - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 05:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I am not defending the org. Just being real. FA hasn't officially started yet. We will see if by the end of FA it still looks this bad shall we?
If you read my post, I said I was withholding judgment until it was over. But early returns are not good.
And it’s a relief FA hasn’t started. Was worried we missed on Fries and a few other guys.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:50 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: If you read my post, I said I was withholding judgment until it was over. But early returns are not good.
And it’s a relief FA hasn’t started. Was worried we missed on Fries and a few other guys.
Sucks when we don't get the guys we covet for sure, but we don't know what scheme the new coaches are going to run either and
don't know if they would necessarily fit. I wanted Fries, but maybe Tevin Jenkins and Will Hernandez for example would be better?
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 03-11-2025
We should start a movement to try to force the Browns out.
No public $$ for anything Bengals related. Make it as expensive as possible to be here. When he tries to move, the Modell law should kick in and a local buyer would have the opportunity to buy.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - pulses - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sucks when we don't get the guys we covet for sure, but we don't know what scheme the new coaches are going to run either and
don't know if they would necessarily fit. I wanted Fries, but maybe Tevin Jenkins and Will Hernandez for example would be better?
Fries got WAY OVERPAID and so did Aaron Banks.
RE: BREAKING: Bengals give Trey Hendrickson permission to be traded - Luvnit2 - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 05:57 PM)Nepa Wrote: Very good. i should have read to the bottom of the post before responding. My mistake.
Edit: Although re-reading it, you were responding to my comment that it is "possible that Tee doesn't sign the tag until the end of preseason" and you're response to that, which you highlighted, was "Tee has no choice." But clearly he has a choice to not sign until the end of the preseason and he still wouldn't lose any game checks.
I don't want to keeo going back and forth, but Tee has to sign by July 15th or it becomes automatic anyway and report to camp which starts normally the end of July.
Players do not get game checks until the regular season starts.
RE: BREAKING: Bengals give Trey Hendrickson permission to be traded - jj22 - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 11:07 AM)jj22 Wrote: ATL and Detroit would still seem to be in it. Indy....
ATL s out
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Luvnit2 - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:55 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: We should start a movement to try to force the Browns out.
No public $$ for anything Bengals related. Make it as expensive as possible to be here. When he tries to move, the Modell law should kick in and a local buyer would have the opportunity to buy.
Why because fans are immature.
We have a good team that needs to get better. Should people boycott the 49ers because they are pissed they losing player after player to cuts or FA because they mismanaged the cap.
it is the same SF team who has done quite well in recent years. Trust me, their fans are really pissed to go to championship games to a dumpster fire.
I will support our Bengals and try and enjoy the journey back to the Super Bowl. This time a winner. I have confidence in Joe Burrow, he is a winner. So no a boycott will not help one Bengal's player thrive in 2025.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Bengalstripes9 - 03-11-2025
Honestly I'm not sure how the Bengals could afford any high priced FA this year if they plan on re-signing Trey and Chase and Higggins.
Can someone break down the cap and make it make sense?
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Luvnit2 - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:55 PM)pulses Wrote: Fries got WAY OVERPAID and so did Aaron Banks.
That is the thing. Fans are pissed we did not extend Chase or Trey and did not wrap up Tee long term are the same fans bitching and moaning we did not overpay for Banks and Fries.
I am not saying all 3 of our guys do not deserve to paid extremely well, but to do that we sure can't pay extra 3 or 4 million a year to a good OG.
You are spot on. Maybe Bengals kicked the tires on them both and learned their ask was not in our ball park.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - THE PISTONS - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 07:14 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Honestly I'm not sure how the Bengals could afford any high priced FA this year if they plan on re-signing Trey and Chase and Higggins.
Can someone break down the cap and make it make sense?
They'd need restructured.
Well, if Chase gets 40 million, it won't be for this year. It's upcoming years.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - jj22 - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 07:14 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Honestly I'm not sure how the Bengals could afford any high priced FA this year if they plan on re-signing Trey and Chase and Higggins.
Can someone break down the cap and make it make sense?
That’s been the excuse the last couple years (add in Bates) and yet where are these contracts?
RE: Happy Tampering Day - wanga - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 06:55 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: We should start a movement to try to force the Browns out.
No public $$ for anything Bengals related. Make it as expensive as possible to be here. When he tries to move, the Modell law should kick in and a local buyer would have the opportunity to buy.
Have you done that? Or just yapping about it again.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - wanga - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 07:12 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why because fans are immature.
We have a good team that needs to get better. Should people boycott the 49ers because they are pissed they losing player after player to cuts or FA because they mismanaged the cap.
it is the same SF team who has done quite well in recent years. Trust me, their fans are really pissed to go to championship games to a dumpster fire.
I will support our Bengals and try and enjoy the journey back to the Super Bowl. This time a winner. I have confidence in Joe Burrow, he is a winner. So no a boycott will not help one Bengal's player thrive in 2025.
You have no place here.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Bengalstripes9 - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 07:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: They'd need restructured.
Well, if Chase gets 40 million, it won't be for this year. It's upcoming years.
We'll find out in the coming weeks and months but I would think they are trying to get it done with both players.
History says Chase will get paid by the Bengals.
Trey keeps saying he wants to stay--even after being cleared to pursue a trade.
If they made a big money signing that to me would tell me they are trading Trey.
(03-11-2025, 07:17 PM)jj22 Wrote: That’s been the excuse the last couple years (add in Bates) and yet where are these contracts?
I get the frustration. They should have locked up both last offseason.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - RunKijanaRun - 03-11-2025
If the narrative is we can’t spend because we’re dedicating all our cash to extending Tee/Trey/H, then extend them.
But we’ve extended none of them. Meanwhile, we’ve done nothing very notable in FA.
Names are coming off the board. Names will continue to come off the board.
And no one knows wtf this franchise is doing.
This team needed to improve in several areas. Get to it.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Luvnit2 - 03-11-2025
(03-11-2025, 07:14 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Honestly I'm not sure how the Bengals could afford any high priced FA this year if they plan on re-signing Trey and Chase and Higggins.
Can someone break down the cap and make it make sense?
You can't take a contract signed and assume the cap hit is applied equally over the term of the deal. You also can't use the maximun number as a basis. If. guy signs a 3 year maximum contract at 30 million, it does not mean the cap hit is 10 million year 1, 10 milion year 2 and 10 million year 3. The cap hit is based on the guaranteed cash in the deal. So in the example of 3 years at 30 million, if only 60% is guaranteed at signing, the true number is closer to 18 million for 3 years versus 30 million.
A great place to do research is Spotrac. Go to the site and look up John Jefferson's contract. You would think hs cap hit is 30 to 35 million in year one. It was 8.6 million in 2024 and then went to 15+ million in year 2. This was do to signing bonuses which the tea can choose how to allocate them, they could give a huge bonus and wait until year 2 or 3 to count it against the cap.
We will add cap space if we give Tee a long term contract. In 2025 his tag would cost the team 26.2 milion. But if we trade him, we gain 26.2 million. If we sign him to a 4 year deal, his cap hit in year one will go down to anywhere between 5 to 15 million. So if it is 5 million, we gain 21 in cap space.
Chase also we will gain cap space if he is given a long t erm contract. The Bengals have a ton of cap space in future years, over 230 million in 2026 alone so they cn easily afford to push the cap into later years for Tee and Chase. They can also restructure Joe B. and lower his cap hits. Derrick Carr just did a restructure for the Saints pushing his cap hit to later years.
I am not an expert, but others are. I learn by looking at contracts and calculating how they assign the cap hit.
Check out Jefferson's contract and how they applied the cap hit for a huge contract.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47616/justin-jefferson
Long post, but complicated ways teams stricture deals to afford players now.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space2
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2025
RE: BREAKING: Bengals give Trey Hendrickson permission to be traded - Destro - 03-11-2025
Yeah tagging Chase next year would be horrible in the view of players. Lead the league, get no contract. They would show they just hold and hold a player with no relief. Sure, the Bengals pocketbook wins, but the team would just muddle along with Burrow, angry stars and middle tier players. Not winning anything like that.