(02-21-2017, 01:15 PM)Okeana Wrote: not even worth posting last years stats because LF 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/leonard-fournette-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dalvin-cook-1.html

Last year wasn't even comparable because of games played and lack of quarterback at LSU.  

As far as over the shoulder catches.   Here is an example at 19:57

(02-21-2017, 01:38 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I think LF will be gone by 9th pick.  If the team trades down a couple slots like I said in another thread then Cook would be there at 12. Foster may be there as well because of injury concerns.  LF goes to the Jets.

(02-20-2017, 04:19 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: As I have already mentioned I think either back helps this offense. There isn't a healthy back on the Bengals roster that is as capable as Cook or LF. I think Okeana's breakdown is pretty close, in fact I read a similar one from a supposed professional.

That said, while I agree to an extent, I disagree with part of it as well. 

I think many are underestimating Fournette's capability to catch the football. Cook has shown better hands without a doubt but, Cook played in an offense that throws to the backs and they featured him. Leonard played in a cesspool of coaching uncertainty.

All of that mentioned, the reason that I quoted you Nate wasn't to debate. It was because I got tickled at you saying the Bengals need a back that can catch. I agree, but they also need an OC that understands how to get the RBs the ball in space and we don't have that in Cincy!! 

You're thinking about Josh McDaniels and the team that just won the SB. Cincy tries to throw to the backs but do a poor job of it imo. 

Not to rain on the speculation parade but I just don't think Merv will draft either back, unfortunately.

(02-21-2017, 11:07 AM)Okeana Wrote: This is super strange, but do you even look at receiving stats on these players ?  Cook and Fournette have very similar receiving stats.  

2015 receiving stats LF

rec 19 / yards 253 / AVG 13.3 / LONG 46 / TD's 1

2015 receiving stats DC

rec 24 / yards 244 / AVG 10.2 / LONG 36 / TD 1

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These guys both have natural ability catching the ball so i don't see this as a dividing point.  I think both are top 15 talent dynamic running backs which is really great considering 4 to 5 years ago most running backs weren't valued at all.

Whoa, blew my mind. Thanks for this Okeana. Eye opening.

(02-22-2017, 04:45 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cannot disagree with any of this Coach, nice post.

If we did pick Fournette i would definately not be mad like i might of been a month or so ago, he is warming up to me for sure.

But like you said, Marv pry won't draft either RB anyway.


Whoa, blew my mind. Thanks for this Okeana. Eye opening.

(02-22-2017, 04:50 PM)Wyche Wrote: It was eye opening, but then, so are Dalvin Cook's 2016 numbers.....

(02-22-2017, 05:01 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, i still like Dalvin Cook better for us but damn, these guys made me warm up to Fournette.

I didn't want the guy before this, now i am not against it.

Still with you though Wyche. Dalvin is amazing, if we draft a RB in the first it should be him.

(02-22-2017, 05:35 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I don't think I would complain either way with these guys.

I think Fournette is going to turn some heads at the combine.  He has legit long speed, and I think he will show it during the workouts.  He is a guy that will always fall forward for the extra yard or two upon contact.  I would love to see him here.

Cook is the definition of a true home run hitter.  I don't think he's going to be as consistent between the tackles in the NFL as Fournette, but he very easily could average 6 yards a carry with all of his long ball carries.

That being said, a team is really going to have some problems on defense if they try to go with 7 in the box with either one of these guys.  If they go 8 in the box they are going to have some real problems with AJ and Eifert.

(02-22-2017, 08:41 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: That is a good description Hammer.  It bothers me that Cook has baggage but Wyche knows Nole's football and unless Wyche is an enabler, he seems to feel Cook is a good guy.

What I like about LF is his top speed.  Hill stutters and stops.  LF can fall forward and hurt two defensive players.  I like how he hits players.  There is something about the way Cook runs that reminds me of Gayle Sayers.  I think it is his leaning.   He with a healthy GIO could be scary especially if the Bengals get JuJu at WR. 

(02-22-2017, 05:11 PM)Wyche Wrote: Those 2015 numbers are pretty close, but FSU was more balanced as a team with Mario Pender splitting time in the backfield.  The 2016 FSU offense WAS #4....over 2200 yds from the L.O.S.  I like Fournette more than I did, and would love him here, if we could run block with the top half of the league.

(02-22-2017, 05:35 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I don't think I would complain either way with these guys.

I think Fournette is going to turn some heads at the combine.  He has legit long speed, and I think he will show it during the workouts.  He is a guy that will always fall forward for the extra yard or two upon contact.  I would love to see him here.

Cook is the definition of a true home run hitter.  I don't think he's going to be as consistent between the tackles in the NFL as Fournette, but he very easily could average 6 yards a carry with all of his long ball carries.

That being said, a team is really going to have some problems on defense if they try to go with 7 in the box with either one of these guys.  If they go 8 in the box they are going to have some real problems with AJ and Eifert.

(02-22-2017, 08:41 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: That is a good description Hammer.  It bothers me that Cook has baggage but Wyche knows Nole's football and unless Wyche is an enabler, he seems to feel Cook is a good guy.

What I like about LF is his top speed.  Hill stutters and stops.  LF can fall forward and hurt two defensive players.  I like how he hits players.  There is something about the way Cook runs that reminds me of Gayle Sayers.  I think it is his leaning.   He with a healthy GIO could be scary especially if the Bengals get JuJu at WR. 

(02-23-2017, 04:31 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree with both of you, good points.  Also, I'm not an enabler doc, I wanted Winston gone, and I wanted Johnson gone....and he was a big prospect for the Noles.  His dismissal lead to a season of Gholson and McGuire splitting time at QB, and now Deondre Francios under center.  At first I was down on Cook, until the facts of the case and witnesses came out.  Then he decided to play his bowl game when others did not....I was sold on him.  The BB gun deal was a "jock moment", if you will.  Hell, I was doing dumb shit like that when I was a kid too.

(02-21-2017, 02:41 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Think you're gonna be right on this. (I hate autocorrect!!!!!)* I'm speaking of rep note that I left you...Haha...Damn it!

(02-14-2017, 05:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Who made up that AWFULLY good o-line this year?


If Fournette is there at our pick and we don't nab him; we're over-thinking it. WTS, barring a combine catastrophe he'll be gone. Jets or Panthers seem like the logical landing spots.  

(02-27-2017, 06:41 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: Coach
I cannot read any of your comments because I am memorized by your avatar.  

(02-27-2017, 04:21 PM)Wyche Wrote: I'm just gonna leave this right here.......


http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=211495290

(03-02-2017, 06:45 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: A glimmer of hope today from NFL Network. Seems Fournette is definitely in play at #9. They are not happy with Hill.