(02-05-2018, 04:05 PM)jowczarski Wrote: This whole conversation (not just on the board, but on reddit and on Twitter) just blows my mind. Foles had a great postseason. Can't take it away from him. Dalton is 0-4. That will always be there until it isn't. But over the balance over their careers, it's not even a debate.

(02-05-2018, 12:19 PM)GodFather Wrote: If you were the GM in Cincy, would you trade your first rounder for Foles? He only has 7 million on his contract for this upcoming year and you can get draft picks in a trade with Dalton and the jury is still out on what value you get out of AJ.

Would you do it? Would you go after Foles?

(02-05-2018, 12:19 PM)GodFather Wrote: If you were the GM in Cincy, would you trade your first rounder for Foles? He only has 7 million on his contract for this upcoming year and you can get draft picks in a trade with Dalton and the jury is still out on what value you get out of AJ.

Would you do it? Would you go after Foles?

(02-05-2018, 01:11 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Agree that these things need fixed before anything else. 

It is how Eagles did it. 

and as Shake would hate to say

Philly Philly ! 

(02-05-2018, 01:27 PM)PDub80 Wrote: If I were the Bengals? No.

If I were the Browns, I would offer pick #33 for Foles. He's worth a few wins a year to them as is. Add in new skill position draft picks at #1 & #4 plus free agency and the Browns would be looking very strong for a long time. I think Foles would be cheaper than Cousins and a better over all player.

(02-05-2018, 02:45 PM)Wyche Wrote: In that hypothetical situation, I'd ask for Wentz.  Foles is not worth a 1st at all.


It's 1991, do you trade a 1st and a 4th for Jeff Hostetler?

(02-05-2018, 05:08 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: No, I would stick with Dalton.
Dalton/Foles, doesn't matter which one, neither can play Left Tackle, we need that pick to find one.

(02-07-2018, 11:41 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote:


Agreed. I like Foles, but we already have a solid QB. We need better coaching (not getting it) and a much better o-line (we'll see).


Well in fairness, Foles is 3 full years younger than Hostetler was. He's also had more prior experience and success as a starter. 

Also, Hostetler was pretty successful for the Raiders, posting a 33-22 record as starter in 4 years, making a Pro Bowl and winning a playoff game.

I don't think we should do it, but I couldn't blame a QB needy team for offering a 1st for a younger version of that.


This was going to be my answer as well. If that top pick is spent on anything other than o-line, I'll be pissed.

(02-07-2018, 11:41 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: .


Well in fairness, Foles is 3 full years younger than Hostetler was. He's also had more prior experience and success as a starter. 

Also, Hostetler was pretty successful for the Raiders, posting a 33-22 record as starter in 4 years, making a Pro Bowl and winning a playoff game.

I don't think we should do it, but I couldn't blame a QB needy team for offering a 1st for a younger version of that.

(02-08-2018, 06:21 AM)ah5 Wrote: All for going all out on the o-line but depending whose available, especially in the first round, I wouldn't be upset if they took BPA.

(02-08-2018, 10:03 AM)Wyche Wrote: Oh I agree.....but we're not QB needy.  If we're talking player trades, or lower round picks.....I'd be interested.  I'd pull the trigger, and let the competition for the starter job commence.

(02-08-2018, 10:29 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: BTW, this was a thread on the mothership, after the 2013 season too, if nobody has brought it up.

How many horses have been beaten beyond recognition?

(02-08-2018, 03:36 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: One of either Quenton Nelson, Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey should be there. If not, I'd trade back and nab a Billy Price. This team will not address line in FA, so it needs to be in the high rounds of the draft. These mid-round linemen won't get it.


We're on the same page. If we could seriously upgrade the QB spot, go for it. Foles wouldn't be an upgrade.


I thought this felt like deja vu.

Everyone was brought up as a Dalton replacement back then. Foles, Kaepernick, trading for Ryan Mallett, etc. The only one I was down with was signing Peyton Manning after he left Indy. I was one of the very few that wasn't defending Dalton in that thread. 

Everyone said Peyton was washed up, "what about his neck", etc. My response was "how often do you get a chance to sign a HOF QB?"

(02-08-2018, 05:24 PM)Wyche Wrote: Absolutely.

We are.

I remember now too.  I think you and I were for Manning (though I was a little concerned with the neck, but felt it worth the gamble), I even thought it would be good for Dalton to learn from him.  I was also on board for Bridgewater, the rest I was meh on.

(02-08-2018, 09:55 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: We'd be much better served trying to find the right coach

(02-05-2018, 12:19 PM)GodFather Wrote: If you were the GM in Cincy, would you trade your first rounder for Foles? He only has 7 million on his contract for this upcoming year and you can get draft picks in a trade with Dalton and the jury is still out on what value you get out of AJ.

Would you do it? Would you go after Foles?

(02-08-2018, 11:04 PM)Steve Wrote: NO.!!!!!!!!! 


take the best OT @ 12

fix the O-line  EARLY in this draft....

(02-08-2018, 10:06 PM)Joelist Wrote: This gets sillier every time it is proposed. Without fixing the OL it won't matter who the QB is.

(02-08-2018, 11:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Definitely nothing silly about that statement

(02-08-2018, 10:14 PM)GodFather Wrote: You have a better shot at winning powerball buddy!

(02-08-2018, 11:26 PM)GodFather Wrote: Do you know what is silly?


Reading the announcement after the 2017 season:

"Bengals Defy Logic, Re-Sign Marvin Lewis To 2-Year Contract Extension To Remain Head Coach"