(07-25-2018, 05:37 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Luck stays tier 2 after not taking a single snap?

(07-25-2018, 07:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No rookie QB is. 

(07-26-2018, 09:58 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Umm...his peers? GMs around the league? Everyone else who voted on these rankings?

(07-26-2018, 03:03 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: My money says with his security, he couldn't care less what any of those yahoos think.  He'll retire a Bengal.  

(07-24-2018, 06:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Biggest talk in the NFL today is the just released QB tier ratings by ESPN, The list is compiled by 10 general managers, five head coaches, 10 coordinators, 10 senior personnel executives, five QB coaches and 10 others with job titles ranging from assistant coach to salary-cap manager to analytics director.

Our boy Andy comes in at #22, but hey; that's 10 spots higher than the QB we parted ways with.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/91gkze/espns_2018_nfl_qb_tiers_rankings/

Tier 1:

T1. Aaron Rodgers
T1. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Ben Roethlisberger

Tier 2:

5. Matt Ryan
6. Russell Wilson
7. Matthew Stafford
8. Philip Rivers
9. Carson Wentz
10. Andrew Luck
11. Cam Newton
12. Derek Carr
13. Jimmy Garoppolo
14. Deshaun Watson

Tier 3:

T15. Kirk Cousins
T15. Alex Smith
T17. Eli Manning
T17. Dak Prescott
19. Jared Goff
20. Jameis Winston
21. Marcus Mariota
22. Andy Dalton
T23. Joe Flacco
T23. Case Keenum
25. Tyrod Taylor
26. Blake Bortles
27. Ryan Tannehill
28. Sam Bradford

Tier 4:

29. Mitchell Trubisky
30. Josh McCown
31. Patrick Mahomes
32. AJ McCarron

(07-26-2018, 08:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I think he has more competitive drive than you’re giving him credit for. When he was booed at a softball game he worked on his game like never before and had the best season of his career. He’s won at every level he’s played at his entire life, I guarantee he cares.

(07-26-2018, 08:59 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Ignorant fans booing him for football, at a softball game!  lol

And what did he do?  Hit 2 homeruns, one almost out of the baseball stadium!!!

It's a job for these guys NC.  It's their 9-5! Yes, he wants to win and do well, but being a brother, I know his priorities and football isn't as high as most fans think it is.

(07-26-2018, 10:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That’s a problem then.

(07-24-2018, 08:36 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Tier 2 is questionable imo

Luck, Watson and Wentz  all coming back from injury. Watson and Wentz both still have much to prove.

Speaking of much to prove, Jimmy G in tier 2?

(07-25-2018, 12:23 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No way Dalton is better than Cam as far as pure skill goes.

(07-26-2018, 07:01 AM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: Dalton is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL.

(07-27-2018, 12:08 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Remember, these are the guys that allowed Jimmy to slip to the 62nd overall pick. 

Now they're ranking him the 13th best QB in the world based on 5 games. 

(07-26-2018, 08:45 PM)BengalChris Wrote:  All of their tier 2 QBs have out played Dalton, with the exception of Luck.

(07-27-2018, 02:47 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: -Bradford needs to be 8-10 spots higher. How could he possibly be behind Bortles? Nowhere else in the rankings have they punished being fragile except for Bradford.

(07-27-2018, 10:02 AM)Nately120 Wrote: In all fairness Jimmy G went 2-0 with a Patriots team and was dismissed as being on a team anyone can win with and then he went to an 0-8 team that was on a 2-22 streak and won all 5 remaining games.  Small sample size, but that's a pretty impressive feat.  If we would have traded McCarron to the Browns midseason and he won every remaining game with that crap squad I bet we'd be kicking ourselves (regardless if it's the right or wrong thing to do).

I'll also say this whole "judging a QB based on a small sample size" fear we have going right now is interesting since Nick Foles went from a backup, to a one-year-wonder, to a backup, to a SB MVP everyone wants.  I'll admit when Foles had that great season with the Eagles I asked my friend who is a Giants fan if he was dreading a rival having a youthful and successful QB and he said he wasn't worried until he did it more than once.  Well, Foles fizzled out and I had to admit he was right.  Now here we are again where he was wrong...or something.  Who knows.  

(07-27-2018, 02:47 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Bad rankings are bad...


TOO HIGH:

-Andrew Luck has a career sub-60% completion, the exact same YPA as Dalton (7.2), and 87.3 QB Rating, a losing record outside of his weak division, missed the ENTIRE 2017 season with a shoulder injury, and has missed 26 of his last 48 games. He is just a lot of hype and promise.

-Ben Roethlisberger has no business being Tier 1. I would buy Tier 2. In 14 years, he has thrown for 30 TDs twice, never more than 32. He has 1 career 4,500 yard season, and only 5/14 seasons has he reached 4,000 yards. Putting him and his career 94 QB Rating (only 2 seasons with 100+ QB Rating, 0 with 105+ QB Rating) in the same category with Brady (6 & 4), Rogers (7 & 3), and Brees (7 & 2) is a joke. Roethlisberger also has only played 16 games in a season 3 times in 14 years.

-Small quibble, but I would remove the T-1 from Rodgers and Brady and go Brady 1, Rodgers 2. Rodgers is no Brady in the postseason.. (9-7 record for Rodgers, 27-10 record for Brady).

-QB Record isn't everything, but Matthew Stafford is a losing QB who is just king of the garbage time. Matthew Stafford could be my #7 QB if games were changed to only ever consist of the 4th quarter. Lol

-Cam Newton is the single most overrated QB in the NFL today, saving Luck from that title. One of these QB gets rated 10th, the other 22nd (Dalton probably belongs 12-13).
Newton: 58.5% Completion, 25,074yds, 7.3 YPA, 158 TD/94 INT, 85.3 QB Rating
Dalton: 62.3% Competion, 25,534yds, 7.2 YPA, 167 TD/93 INT, 88.7 QB Rating

-Garoppolo is probably rated a handful of spots too high considering he has had all of 7 starts. Watson put up way better stats (in 1 less start) and somehow is a spot lower. Maybe because of better talent to throw to?

-Eli Manning is poop.



TOO LOW:

-Kirk Cousins probably belongs a few spots higher. Most certainly above Garoppolo/Newton/Carr, and probably above Stafford/Luck.

-Alex Smith gets no love. No problem with him being tied with Cousins, but they both need to be above the previously listed.

-Dalton needs to be about 8-9 spots higher.

-Bradford needs to be 8-10 spots higher. How could he possibly be behind Bortles? Nowhere else in the rankings have they punished being fragile except for Bradford.

-Putting McCarron behind Trubisky is just cruel.




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Of course shifting down some guys far enough would push a different guy up a spot or two, but more or less the rest of the order I don't see a big problem with.

(07-27-2018, 10:21 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Carr and Wentz haven't.  Their career ratings are not as good as Daltons and their best seasons were not as good as Dalton's best season.

Wentz has fumbled 23 times in two seasons.  Dalton only fumbled 24 times in his first five seasons.