(11-07-2018, 12:13 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: It's not on PA that he's not pushing guys like he's paid to do?

(11-07-2018, 06:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Any high school coach can go out an run players to death. 

In coaching, like everything else, it is about working smarter instead of just working harder.

(11-07-2018, 05:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: DeCastro was drafted 24th overall.  Zeitler went #27.

(11-07-2018, 10:15 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Calling out Gresham was one of the dumbest things he's done.

That guy was being practically held together with duct tape.

I don't care if you hated on JG for holds, drops, whatever...  the dude wasn't a wimp or quitter.

(11-07-2018, 11:38 PM)ezekiel23 Wrote: DeCastro was still available when the When the Bengals chose Zeitler,They chose Zeitler over DeCastro,and three very next pick,the Steelers took DeCastro.

(11-07-2018, 11:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The only thing I ever faulted him on, were those damn false starts.  The one's that always seemed to happen on 3rd and short..

(11-07-2018, 07:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Probably into their janitorial training program.

Lap was so smart he left the Bengals for a 10 year contract with a USFL team.

(11-07-2018, 06:09 PM)Whatever Wrote: To be fair, DeCastro was on the board and we traded down, so he didn't technically pass on him.

We were trashed for taking Willie Anderson.  Experts were like "You don't take a RT in the Top 10.". Willie is on HoF ballots now as the best to ever play that position.

Levi Jones was supposed to be a ridiculous reach, and he turned out to be a franchise caliber LT.

Of course, he was responsible for getting future HoF LT Andrew Whitworth in the 2nd.  He also had 2 G's become the highest paid NFL history in Steinbach and Zeitler.

The last few years were a train wreck, and he needed to  go, but the man was responsible for drafting some of the greatest players in the history of the franchise.

(11-08-2018, 12:01 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Jim LeClair left the Bengals for the exact same team.

Fun fact: Donald Trump was the majority owner of the team they both signed for. 

(11-07-2018, 10:09 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Lap compares Pollack and PA with Lance



Maybe he's trying to keep PA away from the Bengals for good? Interesting he comes out and says this now. Makes a little sense seeing as he would of probably been removed from the broadcasting team. But it's certainly not a good look to hear this from a guy who coaches for us for so long, and the title he held as assistant HC/O-line.

(11-07-2018, 07:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Probably into their janitorial training program.

Lap was so smart he left the Bengals for a 10 year contract with a USFL team.

(11-07-2018, 10:15 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Calling out Gresham was one of the dumbest things he's done.

That guy was being practically held together with duct tape.

I don't care if you hated on JG for holds, drops, whatever...  the dude wasn't a wimp or quitter.

(11-08-2018, 02:02 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Lap is basically a Bengals employee. He rarely speaks out of turn and apparently held back his true thought on P.A. for years.

What I'm saying is that I seriously doubt he would've roasted Gresh if that weren't the prevailing thought in the building. It seemed Marv was pretty done with Gresh, based on comments he made. Players must have been talking too, if I were making an educated guess. We really don't know what went on behind the scenes, but people were pissed for some reason. Just because Gresh remained mostly healthy through his career doesn't mean he didn't sandbag when he had an injury. We don't know.

(11-08-2018, 02:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Gresh had not missed a game all year had taken well over 85% of our offensive snaps that year and around 15% of our ST snaps. He had 62 catches and 5 TDs while being rock solid in the blocking game. All while playing with a back that needed surgery. I have 0 idea when he had time to sandbag. 

(11-08-2018, 02:17 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm talking specifically about his ability/inability to play through whatever injury he had.

Whether the injury was real or not, it seems some inside the building were convinced he wasn't giving his best to play through it. 

I don't see Lap being that bold unless he knew people that mattered felt that way. 

(11-08-2018, 02:34 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Or maybe Laps was just running his mouth. 

Of course the injury was real; he had surgery to repair it after he gave us 15 productive games with it in a contract year. He could have easily shut it down early and had the surgery instead of hurting his FA chances by having it in the off season. 

I don't see Gresh quitting on this team unless folks take Lap's BS over facts.  

(11-08-2018, 02:17 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm talking specifically about his ability/inability to play through whatever injury he had.

Whether the injury was real or not, it seems some inside the building were convinced he wasn't giving his best to play through it. 

I don't see Lap being that bold unless he knew people that mattered felt that way. 

(11-08-2018, 02:17 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm talking specifically about his ability/inability to play through whatever injury he had.

Whether the injury was real or not, it seems some inside the building were convinced he wasn't giving his best to play through it. 

I don't see Lap being that bold unless he knew people that mattered felt that way. 

(11-08-2018, 10:24 AM)Whatever Wrote: I think Lap based his opinion on what he knew at the time.  Gresham practiced all week and was a big part of the game plan, then couldn't go on game day.

The key issue is that the herniated disc wasn't discovered until Gresham did a physical with Oakland during FA.  As far as the Bengals knew, he wasn't hurt that badly.  I don't think Gresham knew how bad his back was screwed up.  If he did, he would have seen a specialist right after the season ended.