(03-26-2019, 12:40 PM)Sled21 Wrote: A lot of people think that Murray will be good because Mahommes is good, and they are both baseball players who could easily play in the MLB. But, you know who else could very easily play baseball in the MLB???? (hint- he's our current backup) Dalton is a proven commodity.

(03-26-2019, 12:39 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He gets comparisons to Russell Wilson based on height and choosing between baseball/football, but I don't see Wilson's intelligence or charisma out of this guy. Not to mention he pretty much said he wouldn't play for the Raiders in this interview:





Does anyone think the Bengals are perceived as any better than the Raiders? What if we draft him and he chooses baseball because he doesn't want to be a Bengal? Certainly seems possible with how flaky he seems. 

(03-25-2019, 05:16 PM)depthchart Wrote: Charlie Casserly (won a Super Bowl as a GM) was on NFL Network about a week ago and brought up the Bengals. He considers Dwayne Haskins & Kyler Murray to be Top Tier talents while considering Dalton to be "mid tier" & someone he would try to upgrade from with either Haskins or Murray.

Baker Mayfield acclimated pretty quickly to the NFL last year and while Dalton's experience level would serve him well initially; I would expect Murray's incredible instincts to adjust and move away from pressure in the pocket to surpass Dalton's in due time. Murray has spider like quickness and looks downfield to throw while avoiding pressure similar to how Baker Mayfield does. Only Murray is quicker on his feet than Mayfield.

Murray may be able to play behind a poor offensive line in a way similar to Russell Wilson.

That said it is a risk and we could use Dalton in 2019 while Murray develops.

Eye of the beholder though and the knife could cut in either direction. Good move or bad move.

(03-25-2019, 11:45 PM)impactplaya Wrote: QB is not what is holding this team back.
its going through 45 def coordinators and 23 OC in.the past 4 years

(03-26-2019, 11:40 AM)BonnieBengal Wrote: This. We should not be using the #11 pick on a QB

(03-26-2019, 03:00 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: ^This.  We have much more important needs.

(03-26-2019, 02:24 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Sometimes you have to fill a hole before it becomes a hole, or something.  The Bears had Rex Grossman and the Packers had Brett Favre...one team decided they weren't going to blow a 1st round pick on a QB they "didn't need."  My Chicago friends admit they were legit smug about that for a while.

I'm not saying we should get Muray, but not every team waits until they are 2-14 and starting 3 jouneymen per year before they see QB as a need.

(03-26-2019, 03:44 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Yeah, but the last 4 teams in the playoffs this year all had bigger needs than QB when they took their current starters.  I'm just playing devil's advocate, mostly here.

(03-26-2019, 01:50 PM)BengalChris Wrote: 2. Also, according to Casserly, Murray did horribly in his interviews with some teams and couldn't remember the plays he was shown.

Murray = losing bad for years.

(03-26-2019, 04:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This makes no sense.

The Saints were desperate for a starting QB when they signed Brees.  In 2005 they benched Aaron Brooks because he stunk so bad and Todd Bouman was starting at the end of the season.

The Patriots did not have a need, but they only used a 6th round pick on Brady.

(03-25-2019, 03:51 PM)Big Boss Wrote: He's not making it to #11.

(03-26-2019, 04:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ok, so that's 2 outta 4....we'll call it a draw.  

I'll change my argument then...let's see...QB isn't our biggest need now, but Marvin's coaching wasn't the biggest reason that the 2018 season stunk, it was injuries.  So why do we need to wait until we hit rock bottom before we change things up?

On a side note, I'm waiting to hit rock bottom in my real life before I do anything positive, but that's neither here nor there.  I'll level with ya, I'm just procrastinating here.  I don't give a crap about Murray, I just don't think we should wait until we are 2-14 and starting Scott Mitchell before we take a QB in the 1st round.

(03-25-2019, 01:13 PM)depthchart Wrote: I heard a respected NFL Analyst on the Radio this morning. I believe it was on the Clay Travis Radio Show.

He thinks that Arizona would have already traded Josh Rosen were they interested in taking Kyler Murray and that Washington would have traded for Josh Rosen instead of Case Keenum had Arizona been willing to trade Josh Rosen.

He thinks Arizona will take Nick Bosa #1 overall and that Kyler Murray could fall in the Draft.

He then said that he doubts Jon Gruden would go away from QB Derek Carr, so Murray could slip past the Raiders at pick #4.

Dwayne Haskins likely the first QB off the board possibly to the Giants.

He also said that he did not think Denver would take Murray at #10 overall since John Elway does not like short quarterbacks.

I have heard this NFL Insider guy speak on numerous occasions on this Radio program and he seems pretty legit to me; though it is still his opinion.

Kyler Murray reminds me of Russell Wilson.

Murray has excellent pocket awareness, escape ability, quick release, balance, strong arm, accuracy, instincts etc.

If he is sitting there at #11, then I would take him.

Then work with Washington to get their first round pick in this year's Draft (pick #15 overall) for Andy Dalton. Maybe add a later round pick in with Andy if needed.

The Bengals would have a 21 year old quarterback on a rookie contract for the next 5 years that appears to me to be slightly quicker and faster than 6 time Pro Bowler Russell Wilson.

I like and respect Andy Dalton & have been glad to have him here as our QB; but if the opportunity presents itself then I pull the trigger on Kyler Murray (if he slips down to pick #11). Then work with Washington & Jay Gruden on a trade for Andy.

I would make this Zac Taylor's Stamp on the team but we will soon see the actual Plan taken by the Bengals. 

Zac obviously has to decide on how he Stamps this team himself. (unless Mike decides for him) 

If the chance for Kyler Murray presents itself at pick #11 then I would go for it...

(03-26-2019, 04:54 PM)Au165 Wrote: The Casserly stuff has been debunked since then. Casserly does pre draft "training" on interviews and used it as a chance to plug his services. Since then others have reported his meetings were fine. 

In terms of Murray, he is a phenomenal thrower of the ball. His accuracy and arm strength are both plus rated. He can read defenses and use his legs to make new and better throwing lanes. When you watch his adjustments in the 2nd half against Alabama you see you are getting an NFL level talent. 

All that said I don't see him making it to us at 11, but if he did trading the pick to Washington to take him could net a nice haul.  

(03-26-2019, 06:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you don't think any team should consider their current needs when drafting a player in the first round?

That is ridiculous.

Personally I want to win.  So I want us to address our needs.  And QB is not a major need.  We are more likely to end up 2-14 by ignoring our needs and using the #11 pick on a QB.

(03-26-2019, 06:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you don't think any team should consider their current needs when drafting a player in the first round?

That is ridiculous.

Personally I want to win.  So I want us to address our needs.  And QB is not a major need.  We are more likely to end up 2-14 by ignoring our needs and using the #11 pick on a QB.

(03-26-2019, 08:15 PM)McC Wrote: Did he make adjustments or was Alabama so far ahead that they changed up their defense?  What happened in the first half where the game was actually lost?