(03-28-2020, 02:59 PM)spazz70 Wrote: I have told my feelings many times in this thread and many others.  

Again read the statement..."If his ceiling is to be better than all his peers and win championships I’m good with that."


If it said this I would agree with you...  "If his ceiling is to be STATISTICALLY and MENTALLY better than all his peers and win championships I’m good with that."


AJ McCarron was better than all his peers BY winning championships...Was he statistically better?  Was he mentally better?  Was he physically better? No to all three but he was BETTER than his peers and won multiple championships.




Any other disagreement on this board and statistics DO NOT MATTER but for some reason this one keeps bringing up Burrow's stats every time.

(03-28-2020, 03:01 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Pretty much. The whole “The” Ohio State entitled attitude rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

Personally, I have no love for a team from Columbus. I’m from Cincinnati.

(03-28-2020, 02:56 PM)McC Wrote: Yes.  I live in Cincinnati and therefore know not to call it Cincy.  

I graduated from UC.  Columbus might as well be on another planet as far as I'm concerned and I refuse to let anyone try to convince me why I should be a fan of another university outside my home town, a university that can't hold a candle to my alma mater acaemically but acts like they are the **** of the walk and thinks I should feel some obligation to support it.

(03-28-2020, 03:09 PM)spazz70 Wrote: I must have worked with you.  

I live in Dayton (Miamisburg) and huge UD fan but I still support OSU because I am an Ohioan.  I guess that is the part I do not get.  My son went to UC, I have nothing against UC. As matter of fact I was a huge UC BB fan until they got rid of Huggy.  After working down there is when I saw the distaste of the fans towards OSU that I did not know existed.

(03-28-2020, 03:09 PM)spazz70 Wrote: I must have worked with you.  

I live in Dayton (Miamisburg) and huge UD fan but I still support OSU because I am an Ohioan.  I guess that is the part I do not get.  My son went to UC, I have nothing against UC. As matter of fact I was a huge UC BB fan until they got rid of Huggy.  After working down there is when I saw the distaste of the fans towards OSU that I did not know existed.

(03-28-2020, 03:14 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: McC just made a great point though, do you support every Ohio team, or just the best one?

(03-28-2020, 03:26 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Like I said it must be a Cincinnati thing cause I have traveled all over this state and Cincinnati is the only place that has this mentality.

Ohio State is the STATE school for my state.  I never said not to root for UC just like I would never expect anyone to tell me not to root for Dayton.

I would be hard pressed for example to find a large population of people in Cleveland that were Cleveland State Fans but have hatred for OSU.

Again not arguing just could never figure it out.

(03-28-2020, 03:14 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: McC just made a great point though, do you support every Ohio team, or just the best one?

(03-28-2020, 03:26 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Like I said it must be a Cincinnati thing cause I have traveled all over this state and Cincinnati is the only place that has this mentality.

Ohio State is the STATE school for my state.  I never said not to root for UC just like I would never expect anyone to tell me not to root for Dayton.

I would be hard pressed for example to find a large population of people in Cleveland that were Cleveland State Fans but have hatred for OSU.

Again not arguing just could never figure it out.

(03-28-2020, 03:09 PM)McC Wrote: Right.  Am I supposed to support Ohio University?  They have Ohio in their name too.  Are we supposed to be Browns fans?  They're in Ohio too.

Hell, I hate Xavier too and they're right in Cincinnati.  Maybe a lack of understanding of how being a sports fan works is at work here.

Hell, New Yorkers are either Giants or Jet fans and not both, Yankees or Mets fans and not both.

And yeah, the whole "The" thing.  What kind of goofy horse shit is that?

(03-28-2020, 10:52 AM)spazz70 Wrote: Yes, many people are making him in to the next coming when he has not even seen an NFL field.  Just go read this thread and many others.  There are no guarantees in the NFL.  Joe Burrow is 23 years old....has been at 2 schools....graduated from Ohio State...Could not win the starting job at OSU...Had one fantastic year and one average year...Odds are that everything fell into place at the right time as opposed to him being the greatest QB to enter the NFL in the last 10 years because of his gaudy stats on a very talented team.  Again, I hope he comes in and lights the NFL on fire but my expectations are tempered.  I am a huge OSU fan and followed the team and him for 3 years very closely.  He did get injured one year and that took him out of competition for the starting gig but he never really showed enough to be "the guy" at OSU.  One year does not make a player.  I am sorry if you do not like my point of view but I am just not going to be the rah rah guy thinking that one player is going to carry this franchise to the next level even though I hope it does.

(03-28-2020, 03:35 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: Spazz...

Show me some tape that highlights Burrow's weaknesses and why his success won't translate to the NFL. You are trying to argue this point, that he won't be as good as all the coaches, analysts, and fans say he will be. So prove it. The burdon of proof is on you. There's a ton of evidence out there suggesting Burrow has elite traits that will lead to him potentially being an elite QB in this league. Show me something that highlights his weaknesses. Show me some tape that proves he will flop. Show me some evidence that his pocket awareness sucks, his accuracy sucks, and he is a terrible leader.

This conversation is useless and only serves to stir things up. None of us truly knows what will happen. We can use evidence to support our predictions--but in the end, we have to watch what happens. See how things develop. Compared to any other QB in this class, I think it's safe to say Burrow has the highest ceiling, and the least amount of risk. So what's the point of the discussion? We are in a good position to take a player with a great likelihood of being successful. This is reason to be happy and grateful.

You never know how things could truly shake out. Maybe he gets injured. Maybe he becomes paralyzed and his career is cut short. Maybe he is successful. Maybe he becomes a legend. Maybe he doesn't live up to the hype. Yes, these are all possibilities. That said, I wouldn't blame the Bengals for taking the chance on the best prospect available, regardless of the outcome.

You can't live life being afraid of how things might turn out. You put your best foot forward and do what you can to make things happen. There's a lot that happens that you cannot control. However, if you control what you are capable of controlling--if you continually put your best foot forward--you can hold your head high no matter the outcome. The Bengals would be putting their best foot forward by drafting Burrow. Whatever happens, happens. But there is plenty of reason for optimism.

(03-28-2020, 04:06 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Never once argued what he showed on the field in college...go look...not once.  I did however question his one year rise after being in college for 4 years.  I did question him not being able to win the starting gig at OSU.  I did question the team talent surrounding him and how much his performance was because of that.  I did question if he has hit his ceiling.  I did question how a 3 star HS prospect and a 4-5th round pro prospect prior to this season shoots to the number one overall pick.  These are all legitimate questions with no definitive answer.



Again, I hope he comes here and lights the world on fire.  I know that everyone hopes for this. There is no denying his talent, his mental abilities, his accuracy and leadership that he showed in college.  However there are questions that cannot be answered until he hits the field. 

(03-28-2020, 04:14 PM)McC Wrote: How did he not win the starting job at OSU?  Looking back, it looks a lot more like their stupidity than his not being qualified.  

You talk about the team around him as if that diminishes him, then in practically the next breath, you prop up AJM having won two titles when he clearly wasn't nearly the best player on that team, like that somehow also diminishes Burrow.

And then somewhere in there, the question of why UC fans should be OSU fans somehow shows up out of left field.

The field on which this is being discussed would be a tough one to run, what with all the goalposts holes all over it.  A guy could break an ankle.

(03-28-2020, 04:28 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Uhmm, no.... Haskins replaced Barrett (injured) against Michigan and won the game.  The next Spring it was an open competition and Burrow had to pretty much unseat Haskins by this time, especially after his play in that Michigan game.  He did not win the job and transferred.

Dude, My AJM comment was directly a response to a question that I answered...It was just a joke answer anyway.

I never once said you should be a OSU fan...I asked why you are not and you answered....I just thought the whole Cincinnati mindset about it is crazy is all.

(03-28-2020, 04:06 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Never once argued what he showed on the field in college...go look...not once.  I did however question his one year rise after being in college for 4 years.  I did question him not being able to win the starting gig at OSU.  I did question the team talent surrounding him and how much his performance was because of that.  I did question if he has hit his ceiling.  I did question how a 3 star HS prospect and a 4-5th round pro prospect prior to this season shoots to the number one overall pick.  These are all legitimate questions with no definitive answer.



Again, I hope he comes here and lights the world on fire.  I know that everyone hopes for this. There is no denying his talent, his mental abilities, his accuracy and leadership that he showed in college.  However there are questions that cannot be answered until he hits the field. 

(03-28-2020, 04:35 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: What’s crazy about not rooting for a team that’s 100 miles away from us? It’s pretty simple, if Cincinnati teams have to play against them they’re the enemy. Period.

Do you think Auburn fans root for Alabama?

(03-28-2020, 10:52 AM)spazz70 Wrote: Yes, many people are making him in to the next coming when he has not even seen an NFL field.  Just go read this thread and many others.  There are no guarantees in the NFL.  Joe Burrow is 23 years old....has been at 2 schools....graduated from Ohio State...Could not win the starting job at OSU...Had one fantastic year and one average year...Odds are that everything fell into place at the right time as opposed to him being the greatest QB to enter the NFL in the last 10 years because of his gaudy stats on a very talented team.  Again, I hope he comes in and lights the NFL on fire but my expectations are tempered.  I am a huge OSU fan and followed the team and him for 3 years very closely.  He did get injured one year and that took him out of competition for the starting gig but he never really showed enough to be "the guy" at OSU.  One year does not make a player.  I am sorry if you do not like my point of view but I am just not going to be the rah rah guy thinking that one player is going to carry this franchise to the next level even though I hope it does.

(03-28-2020, 01:13 PM)McC Wrote: And I fail to see how OSU being too stupid to realize what they had in Burrow or knowing how to utilize him can on any planet be considered a feather in their cap.  OSU fans say the cutest things.