(10-21-2015, 10:24 AM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: What is wrong with this picture?

(10-21-2015, 12:30 AM)TRsome Wrote: I haven't done any kind of analysis but from just watching the games, I feel like he is dancing and moving horizontally too much this year. I felt like he hit the line and took the open 5 yards consistently last year, but he's just looking for homeruns on the outside now.

On the flip side, Gio is running straight down the middle at full speed and gashing the defense. I can't imagine those same holes are not available to Hill - if he is looking for them.

(10-22-2015, 12:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: But he gets a head-start with Andy under center and he's not waiting for Andy to hand him the ball.

With Andy under center, he starts towards the line immediately and, even if he picks his spots before he goes to full speed, it's much easier to kick it up a notch than when he waits for Andy to hand him the ball and then starts towards the hole.

Hue said Hill's the starter and we'll go back to feeding him the rock, so we'll see if he starts lining Andy up under center and if my theories hold true.

(10-23-2015, 07:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Brad, we all understand the theory behind your argument.  Hill gets more momentum from starting 2 yards deeper in the backfield. 

The problem is that your theory does not apply to reality.  The facts are that Hill has always been more productive ("production" is a fact not an opinion) running the ball from the shotgun formation.

Your theory might work if the only play Hill ever ran was a dive play, but the truth is that it is not always the best plan for a RB to line up deep in the backfield and run straight ahead every play.  That is the reason that every team in the league does not run with the RB under center.  

You may also argue that even though it is not best for every RB it is the best for a power back like Hill.  But I would argue that Hill is more than just a straight line bull.  He has the skills to run all sorts of plays like the outside zone, stretch zone, counter traps and sweeps, outside sweeps.  

Hill doesn't have to be lined up 7 yards deep to hit the hole harder.  He just needs to be more decisive when he gets the ball. 

(10-20-2015, 05:38 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Filled in some crucially "missed" data for you, Fred.

(10-23-2015, 10:30 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: The problem with you is you very rarely look at the reality of situations or the facts and instead pretend that your opinions make things fact.

(10-23-2015, 10:30 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Case-in-point:  why don't all teams just run shotgun every down all game?  It's so easy for the backs to run from- just as easy as with the QB under center- and the quarterback doesn't have to drop back and has more time with a better view of the entire defense to see the pass coverages.

See, your arguments fail when faced with reality.

(10-25-2015, 11:51 AM)fredtoast Wrote: In this case I am the one looking at reality.   Hill has been more productive running from the shotgun than from under scrimmage.

Shotgun...........84 carries for 442 yards and a 5.3 avg
Under center....212 carries for 914 yards and a 4.3 avg

The long run from the shotgun does not skew the stats any more than his long run with Andy under center.  In fact even if you remove Hill's 85 yard run from the shotgun he still averages 4.3 yards per carry which is still just as good as he does when Andy is under center.  But to be fair you have to remove his 60 yard run from when dalton was under center and that lowers his average from under center to 4.0.

And your claim that you charted every single carry based on where he lined up just does not match the reality. As I said befor i am talking about a fact (production) when you are just talking about a theory.

If you really do have any facts to back up your opinion then post them.  Otherwise it is clear that you have a theory, but it does not match reality. All you do is keep repeating your theory over and over again as if that was some sort of proof that it was true.

(10-25-2015, 12:00 PM)Synric Wrote: What that shows me is that he was more effective when the QB was under center because they ran it over 2× more from those than in shotgun.

(10-25-2015, 03:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You can not just make up your own definitions of "more effective".

(10-25-2015, 03:15 PM)Synric Wrote: You can't just say 1 more yard per carry makes it better. What's the first down percentage?  What's the TD percentage? You are only giving part of the equation.

(10-25-2015, 03:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Sorry, I am with Fred on this. How can you NOT say 1 more yard per carry makes it better?

"Who is better? Todd Gurley (5.7ypc) or DeAngelo Williams (4.6ypc)?"

Pretty sure that's actually a seriously easy thing to say.

(10-25-2015, 03:15 PM)Synric Wrote: You can't just say 1 more yard per carry makes it better. What's the first down percentage?  What's the TD percentage? You are only giving part of the equation.