(04-03-2023, 06:54 PM)jason Wrote: Pretty sure Chase has to play out his rookie contract regardless of being extended after next year... Right?

(04-03-2023, 10:46 PM)impactplaya Wrote: OK so that means you were against the Bengals drafting Chase over Sewell.
OK to each his own . No problem. 

(04-03-2023, 05:11 PM)impactplaya Wrote: I never bought into that theory that just because you
Have a elite QB then you can simply sign bargain bin
WRs and poof he makes them look that much better
It's funny I never heard Colts fans wanting to 
Show Reggie Wayne the door even though they 
Had Dallas Clark and Marvin Harrison.

I swear some of you want Higgins gone even though 
Duke Tobin wants him here and TEE HIGGINS WANT TO REMAIN A BENGAL. 
have any of you paranoid armchair GMs ever considered that maybe Joe Burrow himself 
Insists that the Bengals both retain Chase and Higgins. Joe has a unique chemistry with both 
And unshakeable trust. 

There is no rule that says just because you have 
A elite QB it doesn't mean you can't elite WRs to go
With him. 

(04-03-2023, 06:30 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Those three will be paid. i am just not sure I agree with your assumption on how much they will be paid. I would estimate something like this for all 3: Right now, in 2023 they account for 24 million in cap hits already.

2023 - Burrow extended for 10 years at 450 million with 70% or 315 million guaranteed. Deal includes a 200 million signing bonus which they will pro rate over the additional 10 years, years 2024 through 2033. So, in 2023 cap hit does not change for Burrow. So they will have paid 200 million +11.5 salary for 2023 or 211.500 of the guarantee in 2023.
2024 - 20 million to signing bonus (yearly cap hit for 10 years) + 10 million i base salary = 30 million cap hit
2025 - 20 million to signing bonus + 10 million to salary for 30 million cap hit 
Guarantees paid in 1st 3 years = 231,500 of the 315,000 million
2026- 18 million in salary + 20 million bonus = 38 million cap hit
2027 - 20 million in salary + 20 million cap hit = 40 million
2028 - 25 million in salary + 25 million cap hit = 45 million
After 2029 majority of guarantee is paid off
2029 - 20 million bonus cap + 35 million in salary = 55 million
2030 - 20 million bonus cap + 35 million in salary = 55 million


2031 - 20 million in bonus signing cap + 48 million = 68 million
2032 - 20 million signing bonus + 48million = 68million

This does assumes Joe agrees to on average 45 million a year versus 50 million or higher. But, as you can see, the key is the guaranteed money and the amount of any signing bonus. The signing bonus can be spread over the life (number of years) of the contract which reduces the early year cap hits, but still gives team flexibility in later years to convert and lower the cap to create cap space.


Some fans believe if I guy is pad 450 million over 10 years, then the cap hit is 45 million a year for 10 years. It can be, but huge contracts are not structured this way, the cap hit are smaller in the earlier years and then heavier in the layer years.


The same can be done for Chase and Higgins, we have Chase locked up for a total of five years, so 3 more years. We have Higgins locked up through 2024. My point is we have time to sign them to extensions, the key is does the team have the cash to pay big upfront bonuses to help manage the cap easier.

Even Burrow is locked into us until after the 2024 season, they want to extend him to get him locked in at 2023 prices versus 2025 prices, same for Higgins and Chase.

(04-03-2023, 04:54 PM)Nepa Wrote: My prediction is that as soon as the Bengals let a sure-thing go in Higgins, they will fail to find suitable replacements for the money saved and the Bengals will decline. So many posters are just assuming that the money saved will translate into quality defensive and offensive players. Did fans forget the Bengals once used a 9th overall pick on John Ross? Or David Pollack getting injured? Higgins is a sure thing. Draft picks and free-agents (Waynes) don't always work out the way dreamed.

The other thing is this continual comparison to the Chiefs letting Tyreek Hill go and still winning a Super Bowl. The Chiefs had homefield advantage based on quite a fortuitous schedule, including 6 wins in their relatively easy division.  And still they probably would have lost had the Bengals not lost 3/5 of their OL. The Chiefs lost to their two biggest opponents in the regular season (Bills and Bengals), and had quite a few very close wins over poor opponents, or they might have had their first away game postseason game with Mahomes.

And the Chiefs also have the most unique weapon in Travis Kelce, with his 110 receptions and 1338 yards. I would not be using their model for the Bengals.

Nor do I want to spend the next ten years watching Higgens playing for some competitor. Try not to let the sure thing go. Higgins, Chase, and Joe have been the cornerstone of what is a passing offense.

Blessing the TL today

Catch or no catch this was ridiculous pic.twitter.com/UyhSDyBSrE

— Just Another Bengals Fan (@JustaBengalsFan) April 4, 2023

(04-04-2023, 07:37 PM)Synric Wrote: Need to put together a Tee Higgins highlight video with Sam Hunt's Gonna Make You Miss Me lol.

Blessing the TL today

Catch or no catch this was ridiculous pic.twitter.com/UyhSDyBSrE

— Just Another Bengals Fan (@JustaBengalsFan) April 4, 2023

(04-04-2023, 01:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That is the thing, you have to look at all sides of the equation. If we want to spend that money on OL, who is out there at this 
moment that can be an upgrade to what we currently have? What can we do NOW. Honestly, the best way to keep this team 
competitive at this very moment is the extend our current proven players. I could also see us declining if we let Tee go which 
honestly doesn't seem like it is going to happen.

We will extend Burrow, Tee, DJ and Wilson this Offseason pretty sure and in 2026 we should have the money for Ja'Marr. Alternating
the contracts of Tee and Ja'Marr makes it possible to keep both and Burrow, DJ and Logan.

(04-03-2023, 07:51 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Honestly if Tee hits the market I think KC snatches him up immediately and they continue to win the AFC. They really haven't replaced T. Hill, and they would love to take one of our weapons away from us. Keep Tee at all costs.

(04-05-2023, 10:37 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: Agree.  If we don't make it work some other team will and we'll regret it.

(04-05-2023, 11:34 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Make it work or make it happen?  Sounds good, but lordy if we have a top paid QB and two #1 WRs making mad bucks this front office is going to have to show that it is elite beyond drafting Burrow and Chase and Tee, because we will have a very high priced offense and not a lot of cap room and (ideally) no draft picks in the top 30 of the draft for years to come.

This is where our FO has to prove they're elite for the first time in decades. 

(04-03-2023, 07:51 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Honestly if Tee hits the market I think KC snatches him up immediately and they continue to win the AFC. They really haven't replaced T. Hill, and they would love to take one of our weapons away from us. Keep Tee at all costs.

(04-05-2023, 01:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You really think so?  After letting T. Hill go, all they did was throw a handful of affordable vets at the position, and went on to win the Superbowl.  If anything, the Chiefs should be looked at as the model of "how to keep your team stocked while supporting a mega QB contract".  So far, that model would appear to me to be that your QB gets to keep one super weapon, invest big in OL, keep your defense strong.  

(04-05-2023, 09:23 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: I doubt we resign DJ reader. He’ll be on his 3rd contract. I agree on keeping tee chase and burrow

(04-05-2023, 01:41 PM)Synric Wrote: The Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill and it worked out for them. How about the other WR trades... 

Ravens could have used Hollywood Brown back. The Titans tried to draft and replace the production of AJ Brown but damn was their receiving core ugly. QB play was a part of that but the receivers were bad or injured too. Calvin Ridley was suspended but the Falcons definitely need receivers and they got really nothing for him. I'm on the side of the Cowboys screwed up trading Amari Cooper and like Falcons & Ridley they didnt get anything.

(04-05-2023, 01:50 PM)Eraserhead Wrote: The Eagles with Hurts went and added AJ Brown,, even though they already had DaVonta Smith and Dallas Goedert. They went to the SB and will probably be right there in contention for another one this year too. More than one way to skin the ole cat.

(04-05-2023, 01:50 PM)Eraserhead Wrote: The Eagles with Hurts went and added AJ Brown,, even though they already had DaVonta Smith and Dallas Goedert. They went to the SB and will probably be right there in contention for another one this year too. More than one way to skin the ole cat.

(04-05-2023, 01:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You really think so?  After letting T. Hill go, all they did was throw a handful of affordable vets at the position, and went on to win the Superbowl.  If anything, the Chiefs should be looked at as the model of "how to keep your team stocked while supporting a mega QB contract".  So far, that model would appear to me to be that your QB gets to keep one super weapon, invest big in OL, keep your defense strong.  

(04-05-2023, 03:30 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The difference being that Hurts is on a rookie contract, and the point of what I was writing about was how the Chiefs are managing a roster with a franchise QB on a mega contract.  So, not really a good comparison, at all.

(04-05-2023, 03:47 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: They're not gonna pay 15M+ for a #1 WR. 

(04-05-2023, 06:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: How much do they pay Kelce?