(05-03-2024, 05:17 PM)Whatever Wrote: Uh...kid had 116 receiving yards and a couple of scramble drill TD's.  Nobody in the league fears Yoshi and his 4.6 YPT.

(05-03-2024, 05:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Believe he had 3 TD's and could of had many more yards if Browning saw him running wide open a couple other times.

Not bad for the lack of snaps and being a late round pick from a liar school...

(05-03-2024, 05:54 PM)Whatever Wrote: He played 26% of the offensive snaps, though.  

I'm not trying to drag the kid.  I actually think he does well as a ST's gunner and think he will stick on the roster for several years as a back half of the roster WR and ST'er.  And if you get that out out of a 6th round pick, you hit on that pick.  But nobody fears the guy.

To give another example of just how much of a longshot Day 3 picks are, we've only drafted 4 skill position starters in the 4th or later this century (TJ, Rudi, Marvin Jones, and Uzi).  

(05-03-2024, 05:35 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Hopefully Yoshi has learned his routes if he wants passes from Burrow other than scramble drill throws.

(05-03-2024, 05:37 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: I’d give this draft a solid C+. Chase is awesome. Mac as well. Two difference makers in one draft is an automatic passing grade for any team. Carman would be thought better of if he had a real chance at LT. He’s not good anywhere else but I’ll call him a bust with an Asterisk. We got decent production out of our D line picks and spot depth at o line later on and including Carman. Those games/snaps matter.

People are always much harder on our own drafts than other teams. Not every player will be a star. Nobody drafts like that. The thing the bengals have done well is get a lot of solid role players and depth guys with their “bad” picks. Just because a 3rd/4th/5th/6th rounder isn’t a multi-year starter does not mean it wasn’t a good draft. The bengals have drafted very well since Taylor took over. Last years draft is looking very impressive. Obviously the Burrow draft was a home run. His first draft was unspectacular but still valuable with lots of role players and a solid but not great starting tackle. Sample is a great blocker and finally started showing modest usefulness in the passing game last year which is all we need from our blocking TE.

Look at our LB drafting for example. Two absolute steals in Wilson and Pratt. The other guys we’ve drafted have also been great picks even though they aren’t stars. Bailey, ADG have both played well on ST’s and more importantly when we were devasted by LB injury a while back (plus Bachie but he wasn’t a draft pick). An entire room built from the ground up with the draft under Taylor. And I have no complaints about our LB group. Same with our WR room this year. Chase, Tee, Jones, Yoshi, Burton. Another group where we should be very well off with nothing but Taylor draft picks.

Tons of important starters and depth/role guys in the secondary as well. The only place we haven’t gotten studs under Taylor in the draft is the trenches which is hard for anyone to get because there are so few guys that big who are also good enough to be stars in this league. But he has taken the FA money and put it into those positions very effectively with Trey, reader, rankins, Cappa, OBJ, Karras, etc. If Murphy and Mims end up being hits, we’re winning a SB for sure. Still got a great shot even if both bust.

(05-03-2024, 05:54 PM)Whatever Wrote: He played 26% of the offensive snaps, though.  

I'm not trying to drag the kid.  I actually think he does well as a ST's gunner and think he will stick on the roster for several years as a back half of the roster WR and ST'er.  And if you get that out out of a 6th round pick, you hit on that pick.  But nobody fears the guy.

To give another example of just how much of a longshot Day 3 picks are, we've only drafted 4 skill position starters in the 4th or later this century (TJ, Rudi, Marvin Jones, and Uzi).  

(05-02-2024, 06:43 PM)J24 Wrote: Best pick- Jamar Chase WR LSU- He's Been better than advertised as a WR. 

Worst pick- Jackson Carmen- We will always have that night in Buffalo but other than that meh.

Overall grade- A- Without Jammar and Money Mac we don't make a superbowl run.

Redo the  draft( can only replace a player with a player picked in same round and after pick)
1st Jammar Chase  WR LSU
2nd) Creed Humphrey C Oklahoma 
3rd.) Osa Odighizuwa 3T UCLA
4th.) Armon ST Brown WR USC
4b.)Camtyn Bynum S  Cal
4c.) D'Ante Smith T ECU
5.)Mac McPherson K Florida 
6.)Trey Smith OG Tenn
6b) Chris Evans RB Florida 
7th.) Johnathon Cooper Edge Ohio St.

(05-03-2024, 07:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Redoing the draft I'd have a hard time picking Chase and St Brown w/ Boyd and Tee on the team.

I'd be tempted to go w/ Sewell in Rd1. 

(05-06-2024, 06:36 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: NFL.com ranked us 10th.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-nfl-draft-class-rankings-steelers-bears-eagles-chargers-earn-top-grades-falcons-flummox

(05-03-2024, 12:41 PM)jj22 Wrote: I'm thinking about the only thing that (should) matters.... Wins and post season contributions.

There is no SB without Shelvin's big play against Mahomes.... What more do you want from a draft pick. I'll have to hear the A picks in prior drafts and wonder what they did to help the team win and make championship runs.

You can point to the supposed great draft picks of Dunlap, Atkins, Whit etc. but what exactly did that get us? You guys rather go back to 1 and dones?

(05-12-2024, 07:41 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Shelvin didn't make any plays in the AFCC as far as I remember. A quick check shows that he only played seven snaps and accumulated no stats. I have a feeling you're thinking of Shelvin's last snap, a second and goal in the fourth quarter with 1:19 left to go, because Shelvin physically makes contact with Mahomes. The part you're misremembering is that Mahomes was sacked by Hubbard and he fell into Shelvin. So much so that, again, Shelvin wasn't credited with any statistic. 

(05-12-2024, 10:55 PM)jj22 Wrote: But he was in the line up on that critical play.with a championship appearance on the line. Against a team who hasn’t been beat in that spot since. Doesn’t that in itself mean something. It wasn’t due to injury. He was trusted in that moment.

That alone in my book is worthy of more than a F. 

Any draft pick whose post season play contributed to a win earned their stripes as far as I’m concerned. Maybe not a A but definitely not an F. 

Same with Jackson. When we needed him the most he shined. Now I don’t know what happened before or after but I haven’t had much complaint about Jackson since then.

(05-03-2024, 07:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Redoing the draft I'd have a hard time picking Chase and St Brown w/ Boyd and Tee on the team.

I'd be tempted to go w/ Sewell in Rd1. 

(05-13-2024, 10:11 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: I think it is a nice sentiment, really. However, I hope you see the difference between this point and saying "Without Shelvin, we don't go to the Super Bowl." They are their own two separate discussions. 

(05-13-2024, 01:04 PM)Whatever Wrote: I still take Chase.  

Chase, honestly, doesn't really get the credit he deserves for the culture change with the Bengals.  This was still a terri-bad team Burrow's rookie year.  There were a number of games early in the year that weren't looking good until Chase would pull out his ridiculous pre-halftime deep TD grab to keep us in the game.  And the KC game, where we really truly shook that pretender label... that's Wyatt Earp at the creek level shut, there.  When you consider the opponent, the playoff implications, the franchise impact, and what he actually did, that is arguably the greatest single game performance in the history of the franchise.

(05-14-2024, 11:12 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Give it a rest, sister