(02-01-2025, 05:22 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I played football but never coached it. Help me understand the different DT roles I think I get the nose tackle's job is to occupy to blockers and most are not great pass rushers normally nor do they make a lot of solo tackles.

I see the best DT's in the league and it appears most not a top 15 draft pick took time to develop. In some cases years.
Chris Jones - 37th pick in 2016 by Chiefs, did not start as a rookie every game (11/16), year 2 7/16. He did not break out until year 3 and now arguably best DT in football.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Jones_(defensive_tackle,_born_1994)

Q. Williams - 3rd overall pick. Started 9 of 13 games, had 2.5 sacks, year 2 13/13 had 7 sacks, year 3 13/13 had 6 sacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinnen_Williams

The point is how many DT's have come in as rookies or even in year 2 and made pro bowls or dominated?

Is it realistic to expect a late 2nd round or 3 round pick to excel as a rookie?

Where would a Q. Williams or Chris Jones start as a Bengal?

Who in the 2025 draft resembles a similar skill set to Chris Jones when he came out of college? Would you have guessed Chris Jones in 3 years at Miss. State had these sack totals?

Season Team                GP Solo Ast Cmb TfL Yds Sck Yds FR FF
2013 Mississippi State     13 17   15   32    7   28 3.0   26  0   0
2014 Mississippi State     12  9    17   26   3.5 13 3.0   12  0   0
2015 Mississippi State     13 16   28   44   7.5  21 2.5   16  0   0
Career                           38 42   60 102  18.0 62 8.5   54  0   0

(01-29-2025, 03:42 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: Hope they have learned something from losing guys like Bates.  Give him a fair deal and extend him for a few more years.  Maybe he’s a little over paid for his production in 3 years but that’s the price you have to pay sometimes to get/keep elite guys.

Just like Chase, there is just no way to replace Treys production.

(02-01-2025, 06:01 PM)pulses Wrote: You just have to hit on picks with guys who have huge upside and give them a little time to develop.

(02-08-2025, 04:22 PM)M.W. Wrote: Overpaid perhaps if his production falters however inflation hits hard and fast in the NFL so someone not as good is likely to make more in 2027. 

(02-08-2025, 05:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I feel like it's less "hitting" the "good pick" and more identifying the player with the specific skill set that fits how your particular DL likes to operate. Every year it seems we see prospects who had "huge upside", yet they fail to launch with their drafted team. The communication connection between Scouting and Coaching means much more than many want to admit.

(02-08-2025, 05:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I agree in the aspect that Trey has played above his paygrade for a few years and should be rewarded for that. I'm uncertain as to the team guaranteeing the reward past an extra year or two, as future production for a player his age is never guaranteed.

Edit, not only has the team seemingly failed to draft Hubbard's next in line, they have absolutely no one to take over for Trey Hendrickson should something happen to him.

(02-08-2025, 05:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I agree in the aspect that Trey has played above his paygrade for a few years and should be rewarded for that. I'm uncertain as to the team guaranteeing the reward past an extra year or two, as future production for a player his age is never guaranteed.

Edit, not only has the team seemingly failed to draft Hubbard's next in line, they have absolutely no one to take over for Trey Hendrickson should something happen to him.

(02-09-2025, 07:20 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets be honest , other teams with top D ends are in same boat take Crosby, Garrett, Parsons off those  teams who do they have?

(02-09-2025, 07:20 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets be honest , other teams with top D ends are in same boat take Crosby, Garrett, Parsons off those  teams who do they have?

(02-09-2025, 07:20 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets be honest , other teams with top D ends are in same boat take Crosby, Garrett, Parsons off those  teams who do they have?

(02-09-2025, 07:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Didn't the Raiders sign the "big ticket" 3T on the market, formerly of Miami last offseason? Seems like they for sure have more than just Crosby. The Browns picked up Tomlinson to help on the inside, and drafted Mike Hall Jr. for the future. Not sure what you're getting at with teams with a high sack DE not having anyone else to play with them.

(02-09-2025, 08:38 PM)J24 Wrote: Wilkins got injured last season after 4 playing games for the Raiders!

(02-09-2025, 08:38 PM)J24 Wrote: Wilkins got injured last season after 4 playing games for the Raiders!

(02-09-2025, 10:39 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: I was loud on the board about going after Christian Wilkinson.

(02-09-2025, 10:39 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: I was loud on the board about going after Christian Wilkinson. He got hurt so who knows what would have been. But he was an upgrade over reader. Not a downgrade like the clown we got. So many on this board said rankins would generate so much pressure and that’s what we needed. He was average on the Texans and he’s awful for the bengals.

(02-10-2025, 08:57 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He doesn't even play NT, so would have been a BJ Hill replacement.

(02-13-2025, 12:30 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: Sure but he would have brought more value to the team compared to what reader would have brought. Of course, in my opinion.

(02-13-2025, 08:55 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Eh, maybe. Sure, just like the Raiders, the Bengals would have earned a little more publicity for signing one of the "hot names" that were available in a limited market. But how well did that work out for LV after paying him all that money and having him only play what, 5 games? I just don't think that it's worth it to pay people huge money off a lone "breakout" season. Aside from 2023, Wilkins stats are very BJ Hill like.

(02-13-2025, 11:42 AM)jason Wrote: In general I agree, but that 2020 season was the only pelt that Hendrickson had on his wall at the time. I was definitely unsure about him at the time.