(04-08-2016, 08:26 PM)TKUHL Wrote: LOL i told a friend who is a Browns fan that Impatient was just code for Extension and then it happens Grrr. I see both sides but at some point Brown needs to realize that Marvin is not the guy to get this team over the hump. Sure he gets us to the playoffs but damn how long are we going to keep just getting there the status quo. He has had multiple QB's, OC, DC, some years the most talented team yet we flop every post season with another excuse. Marvin is the only constant. He is Marty Schottenheimer 2.0. Should have promoted Zimmer. Again I dont hate Marvin, he has a good eye for talent,I just dont see this team winning a SB with his soft coaching mentality.

(04-12-2016, 02:18 PM)Derrick Wrote: Let's face it. Mikey prefers a team that looks good and almost gets the job done, but not well enough to cost him money. He likes things the way they are...just like the "establishment" in Washington D.C.

(04-12-2016, 02:03 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Again, in the case of Marvin, 'success' depends on how it's perceived. On one hand, Marvin has had a tremendous amount of regular season success and deserves a ton of credit for that. On the other hand, he is the NFL record holder in playoff ineptness, and deserves to be held accountable for that. 

So, how do you square those polar opposites in terms of success? It has to come down to, IMO, the Bengals valuing regular season success more that postseason outcomes...which explains why Marvin is still here and continually being given extensions.

I know some people on here like to compare the Bengals 'success' against teams that haven't accomplished anything..."at least we're not the Browns", "20 teams a year don't make the playoffs", "what has this team or that team done recently", etc. What I don't see a lot of from those same people is comparing the Bengals to the best in the league...which is really all we should be doing at this point, if we're looking for a true evaluation of where we are.

Over the last 5 years in which Marvin has had a lot of regular season success, how do his end results match against the best teams during that same 5 year period (regular and postseason)? The Broncos have appeared in 2 SB's, winning one. The Seahawks have appeared in 2 SB's, winning one. The Patriots have appeared in 2 SB's, winning one. 

How does Marvin's 'success' stack up to the very best? An NFL record 5 consecutive one and done's with only the last one being truly competitive. While those other 3 teams were winning playoff games and making it to a couple SB's...Marvin and the Bengals are wasting precious opportunities.

(04-12-2016, 12:29 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: This.

There's now way that a new HC, no matter who it was, passes on a potential franchise QB...especially given the instability at QB during the previous decade. 

It was one of those situations where the circumstances pretty much dictated what was going to happen. You might call it a 'no-brainer'. 

I did think that Marvin did a great job with his 1st free agent class...getting guys like Kelly, Hardy, James, Thornton and Clemons to come here. 

(04-12-2016, 02:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is ridiculous.

According to your logic 29 teams should be firing their head coach right now.

That just is not how the NFL works.

(04-12-2016, 02:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is ridiculous.

According to your logic 29 teams should be firing their head coach right now.

That just is not how the NFL works.

(04-12-2016, 03:52 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: When did I say that 29 other coaches should be fired? Seriously, show me where I said that.

Those other coaches/teams have situations that are varied in terms of what they're doing, what their expectations are and where they're at as an organization. The Bengals situation is completely unique to the Bengals. No other team has 5 straight playoff appearances without a single win. Whether or not any coach should be fired is determined by the specifics of that particular situation. 

Again, you seem to be more than willing to compare the Bengals to every team except those that have been more successful during the same time period. Why can't you just admit that those three teams have actually did what you're supposed to do...which is translate multiple playoff opportunities into postseason victories.

Like I said, the Bengals have been terrific in the regular season over the last 5 years. Unfortunately, it has translated into zero wins and wasted opportunities.

If you were to poll every player on the Bengals roster and ask them if -over the last 5 years- they would rather have 5 one and done's or 1 World Championship...what percent do you think would choose the WC?

(04-12-2016, 03:57 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I would be very large sums of money that answer would be, almost 100%, the Super Bowl victory.

(04-12-2016, 03:52 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: When did I say that 29 other coaches should be fired? Seriously, show me where I said that.

Those other coaches/teams have situations that are varied in terms of what they're doing, what their expectations are and where they're at as an organization. The Bengals situation is completely unique to the Bengals. No other team has 5 straight playoff appearances without a single win. Whether or not any coach should be fired is determined by the specifics of that particular situation. 

(04-12-2016, 03:52 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: You seem to be more than willing to compare the Bengals to every team except those that have been more successful during the same time period.

Why can't you just admit that those three teams have actually did what you're supposed to do...which is translate multiple playoff opportunities into postseason victories.

(04-12-2016, 03:15 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Now that I will give Marv some credit for. He also traded for Deltha, although I believe that's the trade that cost us Steven Jackson. 

He did a good job of rounding out the roster and ditching players who weren't a good fit.

(04-12-2016, 04:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You want to fire Marvin because he has not been successful in your eyes.  And apparently the only teams that have been succesful over the last few years in your eyes are the Pats, Broncos, and Seahawks.  So it is only logical that you think all the other coaches should be fired.

Surely you are not trying to say that a guy who has not been as succesfuls as Marvin should be retained while Marvin gets fired.  that doesn't make any sense.



I freely admit that.  Only I am not the one saying that every coach other than the ones for these three teams should be fired.

Why do you refuse to compare Marvin to ALL the coaches instead of just the top three?

(04-12-2016, 04:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I freely admit that.  Only I am not the one saying that every coach other than the ones for these three teams should be fired.

Why do you refuse to compare Marvin to ALL the coaches instead of just the top three?

(04-12-2016, 04:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You want to fire Marvin because he has not been successful in your eyes.  And apparently the only teams that have been succesful over the last few years in your eyes are the Pats, Broncos, and Seahawks.  So it is only logical that you think all the other coaches should be fired.

Surely you are not trying to say that a guy who has not been as succesfuls as Marvin should be retained while Marvin gets fired.  that doesn't make any sense.



I freely admit that.  Only I am not the one saying that every coach other than the ones for these three teams should be fired.

Why do you refuse to compare Marvin to ALL the coaches instead of just the top three?

(04-12-2016, 04:46 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: So, there. Compared him to all the other head coaches instead of the top 3.

(04-12-2016, 05:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No you did not.  You cherry picked which coaches you compared him to based on years of experience.


And even then by every measure you list Marvin is in the top half of ALL coaches in the league.

(04-12-2016, 05:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No you did not.  You cherry picked which coaches you compared him to based on years of experience.


And even then by every measure you list Marvin is in the top half of ALL coaches in the league.

(04-12-2016, 05:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No you did not.  You cherry picked which coaches you compared him to based on years of experience.


And even then by every measure you list Marvin is in the top half of ALL coaches in the league.

(04-12-2016, 06:48 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Only in being the longest tenured.

There are 17 other coaches that have been to a Championship game. Only he and Fisher have not won a playoff game while being two of the twelve longest tenured head coaches on their current team. But Fisher has made it to the Super Bowl, just not with the Rams.

There have been 11 head coaches that had their first gig since 2013 and on.

4, of which, were signed this offseason. So of course they're going to be in the bottom half.

So where am I cherry picking?

Even in winning percentage Marvin ranks 16th overall. Sure, he's the 2nd longest tenured, but even guys that have been around less have more playoff success and even regular season success.

And, again, that's counting the 6 newly hired head coaches who don't have records on their team.

So Marvin ranked 16th out of 26.

Where does he rank in the top half exactly? Over 100 wins? Cool. If you're around for 13 years I'd hope you at least surpass that.

(04-12-2016, 06:48 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Even in winning percentage Marvin ranks 16th overall.

(04-12-2016, 06:48 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote:  Cool. If you're around for 13 years I'd hope you at least surpass that.