(09-19-2016, 10:53 PM)Joelist Wrote: LOL!!!!

You're actually going back to THE REPLACEMENT REFS to get your examples?

And the best you can do for Sunday was one potential "spear" (let's just forget that the definition of a spear requires a launch and Dunlap did not launch). It is possibly roughing the passer, that I could see. For a REAL example of spearing see Mike Mitchell launching off his feet leading with his helmet at AJ Green - only a duck by AJ prevented injury:

https://twitter.com/xmasape/status/777571471765954560/photo/1

This should have been an immediate flag for flagrant personal foul as the obvious intent (since his hands were NOT extended to try to grab the ball or anything) was spearing. 



Meanwhile there were multiple flagrant no calls favoring the Steelers, a TD wrongly ruled incomplete and a really dumb fumble call. 

Sorry, but finding four "examples" over 11 years is not proof of any kind that there is no bias. Not when other teams can point to it happening multiple times flagrantly in a single game. 

(09-20-2016, 08:49 AM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Ha ha!
I was going to make some sarcastic reply about issuing penalties based on "intent" and review the LONE Bengals touchdown and claim that it should have been called back due to one of the linemen intending to hold a Steelers defender when I SAW AN ACTUAL HOLD on the play that wasn't called. Check out Whitworths bear hug of James Harrison that didn't draw a flag. You delusional homers are soooo easy....


https://youtu.be/_h7wR-aQR78?t=6856

(09-20-2016, 09:10 AM)GMDino Wrote: This must be manipulated in some way.  Bengals fans have repeatedly said their O-line didn't even have to hold our D-line was so bad.  

(09-20-2016, 09:15 AM)6andcounting Wrote: Goodell personally edited the video.

(09-19-2016, 06:50 PM)TheCincinnatiKid Wrote: I honestly think they've been consistently atrocious in our series for years now. It just never seems a well officiated game. It certainly never seems as well officiated as most of the other games we play.

Honest question (and honestly not a prelude to some smack talk), what do Steelers fans think of the officiating in the games with the Bengals? Worse/Better/Of Equal quality to the rest of their schedule?

(09-20-2016, 03:20 PM)Dill Wrote: I can't speak for all Steeler fans, but I think it is about the same--except that the hatred between the Bengals and Steelers generates exceptional intensity, which sets up exceptional situations--like the ending of the last playoff game. The fact that both are good teams means that games CAN be decided by a call.  If I were a ref, I would NOT want to ref a Bengals/Steelers game, not the next one, and certainly not another playoff game.

(09-18-2016, 09:44 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Honest question....how will employing full time officials change things?

I hear this argument all of the time, but IMO it's not about time on the job. It's about asking guys to make snap decisions on actions that are taking place at lightning speed by guys who are older and under the microscope of 1,000 cameras at 10,000 angles in slow motion. 

(09-22-2016, 08:00 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: You're making the very dangerous assumption that the refs now actually know the rules of the game.

They don't.

Having full time refs would mean they can actually take some time to sit down and read a rule book or 2.

(09-22-2016, 08:00 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: You're making the very dangerous assumption that the refs now actually know the rules of the game.

They don't.

Having full time refs would mean they can actually take some time to sit down and read a rule book or 2.

(09-22-2016, 08:29 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: That would help, but it would also be good if they simplified the thing.  There are too many specific conditions and subjective definitions that will create controversy no matter how much time they get to study it.

(09-22-2016, 08:54 AM)GMDino Wrote: You're both right.

It's like cramming for a test and having all week to study.  These guys, no matter how smart and good they are, have FULL TIME JOBS off the field.  You don't think that isn't a distraction?  That makes it much harder to focus on your PART TIME job officiating a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY.

And industry that want you to make judgement calls based on the rules.

The Lions game is best example.  WR makes a great move, officials call it a penalty because they ASSUME it happened.

Replay in the booth should be able to correct an obvious mistake like that but everyone says the officials will get gun shy about making calls if they are being corrected.  What a load of crap.  

(09-22-2016, 09:55 AM)michaelsean Wrote: You should be able to replay blows to the head as well.  How many times do they throw a flag because it looks like they might have hit the guy in the head or neck area?

(09-22-2016, 10:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'd be for that.  I don't know if you can watch every play and call it every time it is NOT called.  But if it is called and wrong it should be looked at and corrected.

(09-22-2016, 08:54 AM)GMDino Wrote: You're both right.

It's like cramming for a test and having all week to study.  These guys, no matter how smart and good they are, have FULL TIME JOBS off the field.  You don't think that isn't a distraction?  That makes it much harder to focus on your PART TIME job officiating a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY.

And industry that want you to make judgement calls based on the rules.

The Lions game is best example.  WR makes a great move, officials call it a penalty because they ASSUME it happened.

Replay in the booth should be able to correct an obvious mistake like that but everyone says the officials will get gun shy about making calls if they are being corrected.  What a load of crap.  

(09-22-2016, 08:00 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Having full time refs would mean they can actually take some time to sit down and read a rule book or 2.

(09-22-2016, 09:37 PM)Vlad Wrote: Right, one rule book for the Steelers and the other one for everyone else.