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RE: Happy Tampering Day - ochocincos - 03-12-2025
I miss the days when the team actually improved in FA before going into the draft.
WTB 2020 and 2021 offseasons back please.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - WeezyBengal - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:01 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I miss the days when the team actually improved in FA before going into the draft.
WTB 2020 and 2021 offseasons back please.
To be fair, they tried to improve the past two years...they just didn't get as lucky as they did in 2020 and 2021.
And make no mistake about it, those signings and how they turned out were complete luck.
RE: BREAKING: Bengals give Trey Hendrickson permission to be traded - Ell Prez - 03-12-2025
(03-11-2025, 11:57 PM)CottonHill Wrote: This is a pretty tricky situation here. I trade him no matter what if I can get a 1st or early to mid 2nd rounder in this years draft.
I wouldn’t extend him under any circumstance. His value will never be higher.
As bad as the publicity would be, I’d make him play his contract out. However, I only go that route if we improved the roster enough to be contenders and we haven’t improved it AT ALL so far.
So, my hope is we get a premium pick, and bolster the roster somehow and move on.
Will that first or second round pick out perform Trey over a 2 year period? Aren’t we in win now mode? Or are we building to win 4-5 years down the line?
I 100% agree we haven’t improved our team at all this off season, but trading a mid teen sack DE, our best defensive player by a mile, completely worsens our team. Would a defensive rookie of the year be better than what Trey brings? The answer is No.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Au165 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:26 AM)Synric Wrote: Not anymore. The Bengals didn't maximize cap space with their contracts. For example TJ Slaton will have a bigger cap hit in 2025 than Osa Odighizuwa.
That's a function of Osa having more years to spread the signing bonus over than some masterful contract manipulation. Not sure I want to commit to Slaton beyond this year if Jackson comes around so I get the structure, and if not they have a second cheap year to keep him.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Au165 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:01 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I miss the days when the team actually improved in FA before going into the draft.
WTB 2020 and 2021 offseasons back please.
In reality, if they came away with say Jenkins, Zeitler, and Za'Darius Smith (or similar 1 year 8-10 sack guy) plus getting all three of ours signed are we really upset?
There was half a billion dollars in bad contracts cut last week from the last two FA's. 90% of the deals signed the last two days don't work out, see ours from previous years. The team was a 9 win team with the two worst guards in football. Assume we even get average guard play, the jokes about winning every game in a shootout honestly isn't something we couldn't do.
Defensive wise we lost arguably our two best corners last year in Turner and Hill. The defense should be better simply as a function of having them back but also assume slight improvements from the rookie interior guys and maybe you can get to middle of the field on defense. Again, we don't need a great defense with this offense we just need to not be the worst.
I get wanting the shinny toys but look at the commanders last year. The FA's that propelled their team forward weren't the day 1 shinny toys it was actually a bunch of 30+ year old guys that people had major questions about. Heck, even our SB run a lot of our FA's were signed later in the week on week 1 and in week 2.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Luvnit2 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:26 AM)Synric Wrote: Not anymore. The Bengals didn't maximize cap space with their contracts. For example TJ Slaton will have a bigger cap hit in 2025 than Osa Odighizuwa.
We will know the true cap hits when these deals can be signed which is. not until 4 p.m. today for all of the guys from other teams. Even the Gesicki cap hit on Spotrac makes no sense if Gesicki was given 12 million at signing.
The Bengals are very tight lipped. is it possible Spotrac and others sites just estimated?
Either way, the Bengals still have over 25 million so no it did not impact their ability to sign FA's. The Chase and Higgins signings will reduce the cao giving them more money to add players if they desire.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - ochocincos - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:02 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: To be fair, they tried to improve the past two years...they just didn't get as lucky as they did in 2020 and 2021.
And make no mistake about it, those signings and how they turned out were complete luck.
No one was really optimistic about the signings of Sheldon Rankins, Geno Stone, Irv Smith, and Nick Scott though.
We all knew they'd be downgrades from the likes of Bates, Reader, and Hurst.
We were more hoping the draft picks taken in 2021+ would blossom into something because the FA classes were meh at best.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nepa - 03-12-2025
KC Chief restructuring contracts to gain more cap room:
"The Chiefs have restructured the contracts of quarterback Patrick Mahomes and defensive tackle Chris Jones, freeing up $49.446 million in salary cap space, a source told ESPN's Field Yates on Wednesday."
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Luvnit2 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:41 AM)Nepa Wrote: KC Chief restructuring contracts to gain more cap room:
"The Chiefs have restructured the contracts of quarterback Patrick Mahomes and defensive tackle Chris Jones, freeing up $49.446 million in salary cap space, a source told ESPN's Field Yates on Wednesday."
This had to be done. They still may cut a guy like Kelcie, we will know soon as he is do a 12.5 million roster bonus I think on March 17th. They were 20 million over the cap no counting contracts for Fuller, Bolten and Brown.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 03-12-2025
Chiefs restructure Mahommes & Jones, free up $49.6 mil in cap room.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44219014/source-mahomes-jones-restructures-give-chiefs-cap-room
Raise your hand if you think a similar type of move would be helpful here?
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Bengalbug - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:57 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Chiefs restructure Mahommes & Jones, free up $49.6 mil in cap room.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44219014/source-mahomes-jones-restructures-give-chiefs-cap-room
Raise your hand if you think a similar type of move would be helpful here?
Helpful for 2025 sure. Robbing Peter to pay Paul eventually comes at a price. The longer you can go without restructuring, the better the long term outlook.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 03-12-2025
In terms of structures, I think we did alright.
Slaton has no guaranteed money next year (2026). Perine & Burks have zero Dead Money at all.
Ossai is a 1 year deal, nothing to be done there.
Gesicki only has a $2 mil in dead cap by year 3.
Hill's is not available yet.
OTC has us at $33 mil without Hill & Ossai.
We are getting down to the nub if a Jenkins deal gets done.
Releasing Moss adds a $3 mil.
But again, the failure to get Tee/Chase done and a Burrow restructure is likely costing us iver $30 mil on this year's cap. That is huge.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:59 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Helpful for 2025 sure. Robbing Peter to pay Paul eventually comes at a price. The longer you can go without restructuring, the better the long term outlook.
They restructured Mahommes last year as well. They have won 3 SBs and been to 5 of the last 6? 7?
I am pretty comfortable with that model. Trey is 31. How many more years of top production does he have left? Two? Theee? We shoukd be maximizing this time notcworrying about 5 years from now, when the cap will be $60 mil higher (or more) anyway.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - RunKijanaRun - 03-12-2025
If they don’t have Tee extended by 4, watch out.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Luvnit2 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:57 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Chiefs restructure Mahommes & Jones, free up $49.6 mil in cap room.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44219014/source-mahomes-jones-restructures-give-chiefs-cap-room
Raise your hand if you think a similar type of move would be helpful here?
They had no choice. They have to be under the cap today at 4 p.m. They also traded an all pro guard Thuney and lost Reid and Wharton to FA. They still have rostered players in 2024 unsigned and have one of the lowest rosters under contract in the NFL.
You are making the assumption we did not go after Fries or others due to cap restraints. Yet, we still have cap room. In contrast Chiefs were over the cap by 20 million. Has KC gotten better or worse so far in FA?
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Luvnit2 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 11:10 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: If they don’t have Tee extended by 4, watch out.
Why are you placing a self imposed timeline to sign Tee long term?
Watch out for what? More whining and crying by fans? Aren't they out of tears by now?
RE: Happy Tampering Day - ochocincos - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:13 AM)Au165 Wrote: In reality, if they came away with say Jenkins, Zeitler, and Za'Darius Smith (or similar 1 year 8-10 sack guy) plus getting all three of ours signed are we really upset?
There was half a billion dollars in bad contracts cut last week from the last two FA's. 90% of the deals signed the last two days don't work out, see ours from previous years. The team was a 9 win team with the two worst guards in football. Assume we even get average guard play, the jokes about winning every game in a shootout honestly isn't something we couldn't do.
Defensive wise we lost arguably our two best corners last year in Turner and Hill. The defense should be better simply as a function of having them back but also assume slight improvements from the rookie interior guys and maybe you can get to middle of the field on defense. Again, we don't need a great defense with this offense we just need to not be the worst.
I get wanting the shinny toys but look at the commanders last year. The FA's that propelled their team forward weren't the day 1 shinny toys it was actually a bunch of 30+ year old guys that people had major questions about. Heck, even our SB run a lot of our FA's were signed later in the week on week 1 and in week 2.
If they add a couple good Guards, yes that will help, but I don't think that makes the team markedly better compared to last year.
They will need to hit on at least one, if not 2-3 draft picks who can contribute immediately as rookies, as well as a couple of these draft picks from the past couple years finally stepping up to play well.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Frank Booth - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 11:33 AM)ochocincos Wrote: If they add a couple good Guards, yes that will help, but I don't think that makes the team markedly better compared to last year.
They will need to hit on at least one, if not 2-3 draft picks who can contribute immediately as rookies, as well as a couple of these draft picks from the past couple years finally stepping up to play well.
depends if they bring Trey back.
if the defense is as bad as last year, but the 2 weakest spots on offense are fixed(Guards), I see 10 wins
they legitimately had the worst guard duo in the league last year, and the offense was still top 10. Countless drives would be ruined because Cappa and Volson couldnt block
RE: Happy Tampering Day - jj22 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:13 AM)Au165 Wrote: In reality, if they came away with say Jenkins, Zeitler, and Za'Darius Smith (or similar 1 year 8-10 sack guy) plus getting all three of ours signed are we really upset?
I don't believe there is anything that can be done to improve the defense anymore. The moment they decided to keep Stone. No matter what is added on that side of the ball we won't have the safety's to stop anything over the top of the defense.
Adding Guards are nice and needed, but we'll still be losing games 38-45... Maybe 45-48 with guards. (Burrow could have better health which is something).
Re-signing the big 3 would be a publicity boost, but it still changes nothing as far as win / loss or team improvement. 2025 season looks to be already a wrap by all accounts. Not enough done, and nothing left that can move the needle.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Lucius Cincinnatus - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 10:13 AM)Au165 Wrote: In reality, if they came away with say Jenkins, Zeitler, and Za'Darius Smith (or similar 1 year 8-10 sack guy) plus getting all three of ours signed are we really upset?
There was half a billion dollars in bad contracts cut last week from the last two FA's. 90% of the deals signed the last two days don't work out, see ours from previous years. The team was a 9 win team with the two worst guards in football. Assume we even get average guard play, the jokes about winning every game in a shootout honestly isn't something we couldn't do.
Defensive wise we lost arguably our two best corners last year in Turner and Hill. The defense should be better simply as a function of having them back but also assume slight improvements from the rookie interior guys and maybe you can get to middle of the field on defense. Again, we don't need a great defense with this offense we just need to not be the worst.
I get wanting the shinny toys but look at the commanders last year. The FA's that propelled their team forward weren't the day 1 shinny toys it was actually a bunch of 30+ year old guys that people had major questions about. Heck, even our SB run a lot of our FA's were signed later in the week on week 1 and in week 2.
This would make some sense if our pass defense was good when these two were healthy...