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RE: Happy Tampering Day - NUGDUKWE - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:41 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: I hope not but even then you have to look on the bright side - more tv coverage of Brownings GF!
Oh man I had forgotten about his girlfriend but just got a mental image of that Bengals body suit she wore reading your post.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - NUGDUKWE - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:49 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Maybe.
But I would love to see the Bengals spend 18 million to get guards that competent to protect Burrow, extend his health and career, and improve the running game. Not to mention opening up the draft.
Look at it like that, and 18M is more than reasonable, maybe even on the cheap side?
Something to consider.
I know. It being so quiet I was like just offer him 2 yrs 20 mil. Then to see he signs a 1 yr 9 mil dollar deal. It's very depressing. I get he's 35 but he doesn't miss time and he's playing at a high level. Plus the bonus of a good story returning to the team that drafted him and maybe getting a ring.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - ochocincos - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 05:57 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: They are going to pay out the base each week of the 2025 regular season now. They would pay months earlier, but no change to the guarantee. There are other methods as well. I showed one earlier. It is below. Teams simply add voidable years to the deal and it moves the cap to later years (the voidable years). No money changes hands, it is just a method used by lots of teams to create cap room immedialtely. A way to kick the can down the road.
There are other methods as well for an initail contract or the new contracts we are creating in 2025. It all hinges on the Bengals pholosophy to decide to push more cap money into the future.
As I have pointed out, Bengals started the FA period with other 230 million dollars for 2026 which is top 4 in the league I believe. Teams like the Pats and Bear hae more, but they have spent a lot of 2025 money. That matters as Spotrac calculates the 2026 cap number on 2025 carry over + any current contracts.
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The Bills have restructured defensive tackle Ed Oliver's contract, per sources. The move saves just over $10M in cap space with void years added to the end of the deal as http://overthecap.com documented.
Yea I was going to edit my post and mention possibly adding more void years to the contract, but with Burrow already having 3 void years on his contract, I feel like Bengals may not want to do more. This is the first contract they've done with more than a single void year on it, IIRC.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:17 PM)pally Wrote: this one was always a pipe dream
Source: Former Pro-Bowl guard Kevin Zeitler is signing a one-year $9 million deal with the Tennessee Titans. pic.twitter.com/sBPuQ00qFl
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 12, 2025
Not if we'd have extended Tee/Chase and done a Burrow restructure. We'd have lots more space that way.
As is, we don't have the space, most likely, for Jenkins and $9 mil for Zeitler. If he'd even want to come. Which he might not.
Scherff is still out there along with Jenkins. We really need Jenkins, though. When we cut Cappa early,,I thought we'd aggressively pursye a quality G replacement.
Oh, well.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - SunsetBengal - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:48 PM)pulses Wrote: He's probably gonna have to take a 2 yr deal and prove himself and then get paid big money.
Exactly, he was able to stay healthy and look good on a team known for great OL. Meanwhile, the rest of the world still remembers his days with the Jets.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - ochocincos - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:17 PM)pally Wrote: this one was always a pipe dream
Source: Former Pro-Bowl guard Kevin Zeitler is signing a one-year $9 million deal with the Tennessee Titans. pic.twitter.com/sBPuQ00qFl
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 12, 2025
With the way Zeitler left Cincy, I never thought him coming back was ever going to happen unless either he was going to get WAY more offered from Cincy vs other places, or if Cincy was the ONLY offer he got.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nepa - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That is spendy for a 35 year old Zeit.
Perfect for the Bengals. They need to draft someone younger and he would be a good mentor. But it probably was a pipe dream as Pally said. Quite possible he never wanted to come back to the Bengals.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - pally - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:02 PM)ochocincos Wrote: With the way Zeitler left Cincy, I never thought him coming back was ever going to happen unless either he was going to get WAY more offered from Cincy vs other places, or if Cincy was the ONLY offer he got.
exactly...Mrs Zeitler was not happy which means Mr Zeitler won't be coming here
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nepa - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:00 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yea I was going to edit my post and mention possibly adding more void years to the contract, but with Burrow already having 3 void years on his contract, I feel like Bengals may not want to do more. This is the first contract they've done with more than a single void year on it, IIRC.
There is also a formula limiting the number of void years. I didn't realize Burrow already had 3 void years on his contract. I read somewhere that the maximum is 5 minus the number of years left on the contract at the time. (Don't quote me on that -- or ask me to explain it.) But seeing the contracts that Allen and Dak Prescott signed, its good the Bengals signed Burrow to the contract he is currently on when they did.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - pulses - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Exactly, he was able to stay healthy and look good on a team known for great OL. Meanwhile, the rest of the world still remembers his days with the Jets.Bingo !
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:34 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I don't think so. Pay that dude. We are worthless man. I was really hoping we could've signed him to a two year deal. I'm just gonna predict another Burrow injury year now.
Come on, Zeit was maybe the Guard I thought the least likely and the one I wanted the least. We can do better. Step away from the ledge Nug.
(03-12-2025, 06:42 PM)pulses Wrote: Becton is probably wanting big money and he's only been healthy for one season. I wouldn't pay it.
Pretty ridiculous for him to want big money after only one good season.
(03-12-2025, 06:45 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Bingo, he likely wants to be paid to the standard of his draft position, but those days are long gone, just like his time as an NFL Tackle.
Yep. I can understand not wanting to pay Becton a ton.
(03-12-2025, 06:49 PM)pulses Wrote: 4 and 56 is way to rich for my blood for him but i would pay that to Jenkins. He's a much better guard too.
Same, I know Teven has had problems staying healthy too, but he is a better Guard when on the field than Becton.
(03-12-2025, 06:49 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Maybe.
But I would love to see the Bengals spend 18 million to get guards that competent to protect Burrow, extend his health and career, and improve the running game. Not to mention opening up the draft.
Look at it like that, and 18M is more than reasonable, maybe even on the cheap side?
Something to consider.
I would too, just not Zeit who's wife didn't like Cincy and is older. Teven Jenkins, Scherff would be just fine with me.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - RunKijanaRun - 03-12-2025
At what point is it not reactionary to acknowledge this is not going well?
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:29 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: At what point is it not reactionary to acknowledge this is not going well?
When we don't get a Guard at all, that is when.
If we don't get a Guard I will be right with yah. It isn't over yet.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - BengalFanInNJ - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 06:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That is spendy for a 35 year old Zeit.
$9MM for a high-caliber Guard is cheap. If we are looking for starters at $4-$5MM a year then we are screwed.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:33 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: $9MM for a high-caliber Guard is cheap. If we are looking for starters at $4-$5MM a year then we are screwed.
Give me Teven Jenkins for 12-15 mil per year and Scherff for 7 mil per year and I am happy.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - NUGDUKWE - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Come on, Zeit was maybe the Guard I thought the least likely and the one I wanted the least. We can do better. Step away from the ledge.
I'm on the ledge and I can't even deny it. I really want to guards now that pass rush has all but dried up. I think that price was extremely reasonable to sign him and get another guy in here. We desperately need pass rush and playmakers on defense. If we sign a guard that doesn't reduce the big need in the draft and it just seems that it will be too much to fill in the draft.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - samhain - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:32 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: When we don't get a Guard at all, that is when.
If we don't get a Guard I will be right with yah. It isn't over yet.
I mean, we got a guard. When we are just wanting a player at a position, it's a good sign that things aren't going great.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - NUGDUKWE - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Give me Teven Jenkins for 12-15 mil per year and Scherff for 7 mil per year and I am happy.
Sign these two guys and I will be happy. I'm just not overly optimistic at the moment.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - NUGDUKWE - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:33 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: $9MM for a high-caliber Guard is cheap. If we are looking for starters at $4-$5MM a year then we are screwed.
I'm right there with you. 9mil for his level of play is a steal. As quiet as it's been I was just waiting for one of these deals to come thru and see how badly we messing up.
RE: Happy Tampering Day - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:39 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I'm on the ledge and I can't even deny it. I really want to guards now that pass rush has all but dried up. I think that price was extremely reasonable to sign him and get another guy in here. We desperately need pass rush and playmakers on defense. If we sign a guard that doesn't reduce the big need in the draft and it just seems that it will be too much to fill in the draft.
2 Guards is what I want as well. Cannot have Volson and Ford starting. Zeit was paid 6 mil by the Lions last year and he is one year older.
Don't know why his price went up...
Oh yeah, desperation. There are still younger Guards that are better out there and we have been talking to one in Teven Jenkins and cuts
will happen and we can add another Guard after or even sooner. Too early to be on any ledge IMO.
(03-12-2025, 07:39 PM)samhain Wrote: I mean, we got a guard. When we are just wanting a player at a position, it's a good sign that things aren't going great.
Who? Cody Ford? He is a good backup but he is no starter. We can say things aren't going great if we don't get a starting Guard or more
ideally 2 starting Guards. There is time and Guards out there to be had.
(03-12-2025, 07:40 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Sign these two guys and I will be happy. I'm just not overly optimistic at the moment.
Cool. We will see.