(08-27-2017, 10:28 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: I'm not saying he didn't win the meaningless preseason. I'm saying we're screwed because of it.  

(08-27-2017, 08:32 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: You might get what you want but you're gonna be eating crow when Bullock lets us down in the regular season.

(08-27-2017, 10:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Even if that happens you can't blame the Bengals for picking the kicker who is better at kicking.  Bullock is outperforming Elliot right now, and if we pick the guy who is doing better at his job and it turns out we were wrong, so be it.  

The Bucs took the boring old journeyman Nick Folk over Roberto Agyuo...the young guy who keeps missing kicks but shouldn't be missing kicks.  Agyuo is now in Chicago missing kicks and losing a kicker battle to another ho-hum retread vet kicker in Connor Barth.  What can you do?  It's hard to just sit there and hope hope hope someone is going to magically change.  It's fear of missing out (also known as FOMO) and it's why teams over-draft players who MIGHT be good, it's why kids dont' want the last popsicle until their sibling reaches for it, and it's why women always go for the jerk who is unemployed but in a band and TOTALLY MIGHT get famous someday over the guy who holds down a normal job and makes a decent wage.

There is a chance Elliot goes to another team and lights it up, yes.  There is a chance Fat Randy Bullock goes to a team and lights it up, too.  Believe it or not.  The only reason to let Elliot sink this team while he "works it out" would be if we had no chance of competing and could afford to throw an entire roster down the drain for the sake of hoping a snakebitten kicker becomes great.  Ehh, my job isn't on the line, so I'd be all for that.  I'm crazy though.

(08-27-2017, 10:38 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: That's fair.  I just see it as the Bengals making the wrong choice again.  And you know that if I'm wrong I'll eat crow.  I have no problem doing that.  

(08-27-2017, 10:38 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: That's fair.  I just see it as the Bengals making the wrong choice again.  And you know that if I'm wrong I'll eat crow.  I have no problem doing that.  

(08-27-2017, 10:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Even if that happens you can't blame the Bengals for picking the kicker who is better at kicking.  Bullock is outperforming Elliot right now, and if we pick the guy who is doing better at his job and it turns out we were wrong, so be it.  

The Bucs took the boring old journeyman Nick Folk over Roberto Agyuo...the young guy who keeps missing kicks but shouldn't be missing kicks.  Agyuo is now in Chicago missing kicks and losing a kicker battle to another ho-hum retread vet kicker in Connor Barth.  What can you do?  It's hard to just sit there and hope hope hope someone is going to magically change.  It's fear of missing out (also known as FOMO) and it's why teams over-draft players who MIGHT be good, it's why kids dont' want the last popsicle until their sibling reaches for it, and it's why women always go for the jerk who is unemployed but in a band and TOTALLY MIGHT get famous someday over the guy who holds down a normal job and makes a decent wage.

There is a chance Elliot goes to another team and lights it up, yes.  There is a chance Fat Randy Bullock goes to a team and lights it up, too.  Believe it or not.  The only reason to let Elliot sink this team while he "works it out" would be if we had no chance of competing and could afford to throw an entire roster down the drain for the sake of hoping a snakebitten kicker becomes great.  Ehh, my job isn't on the line, so I'd be all for that.  I'm crazy though.

(08-27-2017, 10:53 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I mean, they have one kicker who makes kicks in practice and the games...he played well with the Steelers and Bengals last year.

You have another kicker who was good in college, but isn't doing as good in practice or the games.

It's kind of hard to think the right choice is the guy who is not performing well in practice or the games. Elliott could turn into a good NFL kicker...but it would be tough to justify keeping him.

He just looks like a bad draft pick at this point in time for us.

(08-27-2017, 10:54 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bucs kicker was given an entire year to fix his issues, Elliott would be given weeks so not sure that is a fair comparison.

(08-27-2017, 10:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Yeah, what would you even say if they went with Elliot?  Why even have Bullock?  Elliot has been way below expectations, so if we keep him it's based on what he might do...which didn't even require a competition in the first place.

(08-27-2017, 10:57 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. Ultimately you take the guy who can help you win games RIGHT NOW. Not 2, 3, 4 years from now.

We could draft another kicker next year if we had to in the late rounds. Not ideal...but we have a ton of draft picks every year form the comp picks.

The irony is they didn't take Gonzales because of the OCD and worrying about his mental makeup...so they took Elliott who is losing a kicking competition. It seems to be mental with Elliott as physically he was a good kicker in college.

(08-27-2017, 10:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Even if that happens you can't blame the Bengals for picking the kicker who is better at kicking.  Bullock is outperforming Elliot right now, and if we pick the guy who is doing better at his job and it turns out we were wrong, so be it.  

The Bucs took the boring old journeyman Nick Folk over Roberto Agyuo...the young guy who keeps missing kicks but shouldn't be missing kicks.  Agyuo is now in Chicago missing kicks and losing a kicker battle to another ho-hum retread vet kicker in Connor Barth.  What can you do?  It's hard to just sit there and hope hope hope someone is going to magically change.  It's fear of missing out (also known as FOMO) and it's why teams over-draft players who MIGHT be good, it's why kids dont' want the last popsicle until their sibling reaches for it, and it's why women always go for the jerk who is unemployed but in a band and TOTALLY MIGHT get famous someday over the guy who holds down a normal job and makes a decent wage.

There is a chance Elliot goes to another team and lights it up, yes.  There is a chance Fat Randy Bullock goes to a team and lights it up, too.  Believe it or not.  The only reason to let Elliot sink this team while he "works it out" would be if we had no chance of competing and could afford to throw an entire roster down the drain for the sake of hoping a snakebitten kicker becomes great.  Ehh, my job isn't on the line, so I'd be all for that.  I'm crazy though.

(08-27-2017, 11:18 PM)TKUHL Wrote: So....Can we all agree the Bengals will be the Bengals and cut Bullock then? :)

(08-27-2017, 11:18 PM)TKUHL Wrote: So....Can we all agree the Bengals will be the Bengals and cut Bullock then? :)

(08-27-2017, 11:33 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Couple points why Elliot could make it.. and to be honest your comment is pretty hallow Bullock has something on paper.. he has been cut i believe by 2 teams already, missed a field goal to win the game late last year.. does not have a great kicking avg. on paper.. Elliot is young with more upside in long run most likely and he missed one kick so far in preseason and been solid on kickoffs... 

I am leaning to Bullock but Elliot has not rolled over.. if he had, they would have already made a decision... 

How about praising the Bengals for having competition.. it might have made both players better....

(08-27-2017, 11:36 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I could easily see Marv having to talk Mike out of keeping the draft pick.

You know how much Mike values the cheap rookie contracts. If Bullock plays well, he'll be looking at a solid vet contract.

(08-28-2017, 11:33 AM)CageTheBengal Wrote: I mean he stuck with Nugent and Graham time and time again on solid vet contracts instead of going for the cheap rookie contract.

We even franchised Graham at one point.