(12-12-2017, 10:14 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Last year before getting hurt he was 36 yards away from getting his first six years with a thousand yards, joining only Randy Moss to do so. He only needs 50 more to make it 6/7. I don't get see the slow decline you speak of. He's producing at his regular clip on an awful offense at that. Imagine if he had coaches that can actually coach an entire game. We basically give AJ half the time as AB and other WRs

(12-13-2017, 09:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Wow...a whole 1000 yards when he is, essentially, our entire offense last year because we had no rushing attack?  Do you want to list the WRs that got 1000 yards?  

I like AJ, but after his performances this year, and his antics against the Jags, I have really cooled on him.  You don't see Dalton waving the white flag, despite his star WR tipping INTs and dropping easy completions.  Nor does he lose his cool against his pathetic oline or his basic offensive schematic.  

After his rookie season, I thought he was destined to become one of the best ever.  However, now teams put a man up on him and a safety over the top to take away deep balls and his deficiencies become more apparent.  He struggles to get quick separation, and needs time to make moves at top speed.  Brown is so quick, DBs play off him and give up easy receptions then he is so elusive he makes a man miss and turns a five yard pass in to a 20 yard gain.  AJ rarely makes a defender miss a tackle and generates a lot of yards after the catch.  

He is a great WR in terms of his ability to track a ball and has ballerina feet along the sidelines, but he is not nearly as phone-booth quick as the top WRs of today and he needs time to generate separation.  Which, at least he can do if given a little time....more so than the likes of Lafell. 

I think Green could have a rebirth if Ross is healthy next year and becomes the receiver many of us envisioned.  Ditto a rotation at X with Core and Malone should be in rotation with AJ.  I think our slot is set with Erickson and Boyd.  Replace Lafell with Core and Ross and I think this offense could begin to take shape.  Everyone's favorite whipping boys, the offensive line, has actually played better of late.  The WRs just have trouble getting open which is a function of their lack of ability and predictable scheme.  

(12-13-2017, 09:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Wow...a whole 1000 yards when he is, essentially, our entire offense last year because we had no rushing attack?  Do you want to list the WRs that got 1000 yards?  

I like AJ, but after his performances this year, and his antics against the Jags, I have really cooled on him.  You don't see Dalton waving the white flag, despite his star WR tipping INTs and dropping easy completions.  Nor does he lose his cool against his pathetic oline or his basic offensive schematic. 

After his rookie season, I thought he was destined to become one of the best ever.  However, now teams put a man up on him and a safety over the top to take away deep balls and his deficiencies become more apparent.  He struggles to get quick separation, and needs time to make moves at top speed.  Brown is so quick, DBs play off him and give up easy receptions then he is so elusive he makes a man miss and turns a five yard pass in to a 20 yard gain.  AJ rarely makes a defender miss a tackle and generates a lot of yards after the catch.  

He is a great WR in terms of his ability to track a ball and has ballerina feet along the sidelines, but he is not nearly as phone-booth quick as the top WRs of today and he needs time to generate separation.  Which, at least he can do if given a little time....more so than the likes of Lafell. 

I think Green could have a rebirth if Ross is healthy next year and becomes the receiver many of us envisioned.  Ditto a rotation at X with Core and Malone should be in rotation with AJ.  I think our slot is set with Erickson and Boyd.  Replace Lafell with Core and Ross and I think this offense could begin to take shape.  Everyone's favorite whipping boys, the offensive line, has actually played better of late.  The WRs just have trouble getting open which is a function of their lack of ability and predictable scheme.  

(12-12-2017, 12:54 AM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Why does Tate's success  take away from Jones success? I don't get this both are good players and both are different style of players that fit each other perfectly. Serious question why dont you like Marvin Jones?He is a good player and he was productive for us.

(12-12-2017, 11:06 AM)jj22 Wrote: Based off of Detroit fans feedback, he's been a huge disappointment as a #1 receiver (which he was signed to be), and very inconsistent. He can get 400 yards in 3 games then disappear for the following 8 games.

(12-13-2017, 04:29 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Saw this thread days ago and thought it would of died immediately.

Didn't so here i am being a doosh and keeping it going lol

BTW, AJ caught the pass that should of beat AB and the Steelers in the Playoffs.

Anyone praising the diva Antonio Brown and hating on our classy receiver should blow.

(12-13-2017, 10:42 PM)CincinnatiKid Wrote: I think some people like myself witnessed the game against Chicago, saw AJs performance and then had a moment of clarity that AJ is not as elite as we would like to think he is. Being elite means being clutch and he simply has not been.

(12-13-2017, 10:37 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: So quite a few WRs (more than I initially thought would be) get a 1,000 yards so that makes it "meh"? How about ranking 8th in total receiving yards of current, active WRs? I get what you're saying, tho. He doesn't put up other worldly numbers like AB and Fitz used to. I don't know how much of that you can pin on "the system" (Bengals, well, being the Bengals). But he's the model for consistency. Dude is a shoe in for a thousand yards and 6-10 TDs a year. And consistency is huge in this league.

Personally, I didn't mind what he did in the Jags game. Dude got in his grill and he wasn't having it. Sometimes you have to send that message. Some of his other antics I am not to found of, but I think we can probably chalk that up to what happens when you're losing. I hope he learns from that.

I see AJs main problem is against physical DBs that press the line of scrimmage and his catching at times (he has a catch percentage of 59%..compared to Sanu's 61, Marvins 62.3, and Andrew Hawkins 65%). His speed has never been in question IMO. Clearly he's not faster than AB, but that's why AB is a GOAT. I guess I just don't like down-playing a good player because they're not the best of the best (not saying you are...but thread title is totally down-playing his ability). 

AJ will go down as the Bengals most prolific WR in Bengals history, and it's really no contest outside of Ocho's records.

(12-13-2017, 10:42 PM)CincinnatiKid Wrote: I think some people like myself witnessed the game against Chicago, saw AJs performance and then had a moment of clarity that AJ is not as elite as we would like to think he is.  Being elite means being clutch and he simply has not been.

(12-14-2017, 04:43 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: So if there’s no holding penalty on Gio vs the Steelers and Green catches his 3rd TD of the game to beat one of the hottest teams in the league on MNF that wouldn’t fall under your definition of “clutch.” Got it.

(12-13-2017, 09:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: You don't see Dalton waving the white flag,

(12-13-2017, 12:28 PM)PDub80 Wrote: More like AB's QB is 10X better than AJ's.

AJ would be killing the league stat wise if AD had anything but a noodle and a blindfold on deep routes. He's hit fans in the stands more than his own teammates. AD was junk this season. Total trash against anyone but the Browns. The ball that fell 10' off of Malone on a deep route where he beat 2 Bears DBs for a TD was the perfect example of how AD sucks at anything but intermediate, high school passes. AD's been a bum for his WRs this season. I don't blame them for mailing it in. Why should they have to continue to perform at an elite level when AD just gets to stink it up?

(12-13-2017, 09:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Wow...a whole 1000 yards when he is, essentially, our entire offense last year because we had no rushing attack?  Do you want to list the WRs that got 1000 yards?  

I like AJ, but after his performances this year, and his antics against the Jags, I have really cooled on him.  You don't see Dalton waving the white flag, despite his star WR tipping INTs and dropping easy completions.  Nor does he lose his cool against his pathetic oline or his basic offensive schematic.  

After his rookie season, I thought he was destined to become one of the best ever.  However, now teams put a man up on him and a safety over the top to take away deep balls and his deficiencies become more apparent.  He struggles to get quick separation, and needs time to make moves at top speed.  Brown is so quick, DBs play off him and give up easy receptions then he is so elusive he makes a man miss and turns a five yard pass in to a 20 yard gain.  AJ rarely makes a defender miss a tackle and generates a lot of yards after the catch.  

He is a great WR in terms of his ability to track a ball and has ballerina feet along the sidelines, but he is not nearly as phone-booth quick as the top WRs of today and he needs time to generate separation.  Which, at least he can do if given a little time....more so than the likes of Lafell. 

I think Green could have a rebirth if Ross is healthy next year and becomes the receiver many of us envisioned.  Ditto a rotation at X with Core and Malone should be in rotation with AJ.  I think our slot is set with Erickson and Boyd.  Replace Lafell with Core and Ross and I think this offense could begin to take shape.  Everyone's favorite whipping boys, the offensive line, has actually played better of late.  The WRs just have trouble getting open which is a function of their lack of ability and predictable scheme.  

(12-14-2017, 03:42 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: AJ 1,000x better than Antonio Brown as a human being.

(12-14-2017, 04:43 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: So if there’s no holding penalty on Gio vs the Steelers and Green catches his 3rd TD of the game to beat one of the hottest teams in the league on MNF that wouldn’t fall under your definition of “clutch.” Got it.

(12-11-2017, 02:05 AM)CKwi88 Wrote: I'd wager that the Steelers O-Line is 10x better than the Bengals'

I'd wager that Roethlisberger is 10x better than Dalton (no matter how painful to admit)

I'd wager that the Steelers' coaching is 10x better than the Bengals'

But I wouldn't wager that Brown is 10x better than AJ. Brown is the best WR in the league, but AJ's biggest problems are coaching and QB play, the latter being heavily influenced by the O-line play.