(11-05-2019, 10:15 PM)Destro Wrote: Matt Moore was brought back by Andy Reid. Have to stick on the waiver wire to see where Case Keenum plays. Never know what people may see as someone they want on their teams. Ryan Fitzpatrick still plays in this league. Some think Kaep can still play ( I am not one of them ). Never know. 

(11-05-2019, 11:28 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Fitzpatrick is a good use case for Dalton. He'll have to compete for a spot...most likely, but he'll start some games somewhere at some point.

(11-05-2019, 10:15 PM)Destro Wrote: Matt Moore was brought back by Andy Reid. Have to stick on the waiver wire to see where Case Keenum plays. Never know what people may see as someone they want on their teams. Ryan Fitzpatrick still plays in this league. Some think Kaep can still play ( I am not one of them ). Never know. 

(11-05-2019, 11:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You do never know; I simply found the assertion that "Andy will be a starter, no problem" to be absurd. Hell Brandon Allen is currently a starter in the NFL, but nobody planned for that; nor did anyone plan for Matt Moore. Fitz is an unusual situation as when CP9 was floundering here I suggested Fitz could be a starter and someone guaranteed me Fitz would never be a starter again in the NFL once he left the Bengals 

(11-05-2019, 08:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: 2019 Salary Cap is 188.2 million
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001020137/article/nfl-salary-cap-for-2019-season-set-at-1882m

So average for Cowboys at 32% is 60.224 million

So over 12 million average per starter for Cowboys

Huge number for OL

However, they had a cheap QB and cheap RB contract in past and all of that changes soon so look for them to have to unload an OL starter sooner than later

(11-05-2019, 11:03 PM)PDub80 Wrote: It's the QB's job to drive the train, bud. AD is, what? 1-15 in his last 16 starts?

And, no, your "by this logic...." is an illogical inference.

Even as he goes down in flames his fans are blaming everything else around him. The same organization gave him some of the most talented rosters in the NFL, on both sides of the ball, and in his prime and he STILL crapped the bed and did nothing with it. He cannot will a team or lead a team to victory without superior talent. He isn't good enough.... It... is... over.

I hope he gets traded for a 4th or higher and has a fresh start somewhere and does supremely well. That way, everyone wins. Anyone wishing failure on a great guy like Andy Dalton is nuts. I wanted him to succeed to the highest levels here in Cincy. He didn't/couldn't for whatever the reason. I literally took him as my starting Fantasy QB the last 3 seasons because I believed he could repeat 2015. Didn't happen. Time to move on and love the next mainstay QB!

(11-06-2019, 01:27 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: This train is off the rails no matter who the QB is. Anyone who thinks a QB alone can turn this around is delusional, plain and simple.

Andy is part of the team and the whole team is going down in flames dude. When Dalton had this talent around him that you speak of, we made the playoffs 5 years in a row. That talent disappearing is why we're 0-8 and in our 4th straight losing season. We aren't setting dubious records because of Dalton, but I guess we'll find out about that starting this week.

No one is saying Dalton shouldn't have been benched. At least I'm not. All I'm saying is that this franchise is a clown show and you'd think anyone who has been around the last 30 years or has a working internet connection would know that there's a laundry list of reasons why this team doesn't have a playoff win in 28 years...and why we're 19-36-1 over the last 4 years.

If you want to throw Dalton in that list, fine. But at best, he's reason #273. Certain people are acting like he's reason #1. Whatever helps those people sleep better at night, I guess. Don't be surprised when Finley and Tua (or whoever we draft) flops HARD though. Look who they'll be playing for. Even when they stumble into a good core, the owner won't take that extra step to get over the hump.

(11-05-2019, 09:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Exactly. Who the hell wouldn't want the 29th rated 32 year old QB who has only had a passer rating over 90 twice in 9 years and has never gained more that 200 yards on the ground in a season being their starter

(11-06-2019, 01:27 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: This train is off the rails no matter who the QB is. Anyone who thinks a QB alone can turn this around is delusional, plain and simple.

Andy is part of the team and the whole team is going down in flames dude. When Dalton had this talent around him that you speak of, we made the playoffs 5 years in a row. That talent disappearing is why we're 0-8 and in our 4th straight losing season. We aren't setting dubious records because of Dalton, but I guess we'll find out about that starting this week.

No one is saying Dalton shouldn't have been benched. At least I'm not. All I'm saying is that this franchise is a clown show and you'd think anyone who has been around the last 30 years or has a working internet connection would know that there's a laundry list of reasons why this team doesn't have a playoff win in 28 years...and why we're 19-36-1 over the last 4 years.

If you want to throw Dalton in that list, fine. But at best, he's reason #273. Certain people are acting like he's reason #1. Whatever helps those people sleep better at night, I guess. Don't be surprised when Finley and Tua (or whoever we draft) flops HARD though. Look who they'll be playing for. Even when they stumble into a good core, the owner won't take that extra step to get over the hump.

(11-06-2019, 09:25 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Jason la Confora said GMs have a 2nd round value on Dalton.  I don't think any team is giving up a 2nd round pick for a back up.

But what would NFL GMs know about Dalton.  They have not invested years trying to spin everything to shit on him like some Bengals fans.

(11-06-2019, 09:41 AM)PDub80 Wrote: Where was this "Ownership/FO sucks" concept when the team was going to the playoffs 5 times in a row?

Where was it in 2013, 2014, 15 when the Bengals had an amazing roster?

Where was this line of thinking in 05, 06, & 07?

Be carefuleful if you come back with AD was good enough, etc. etc.... the question is a trap.

(11-06-2019, 09:25 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Jason la Confora said GMs have a 2nd round value on Dalton.  I don't think any team is giving up a 2nd round pick for a back up.

But what would NFL GMs know about Dalton.  They have not invested years trying to spin everything to shit on him like some Bengals fans.

(11-06-2019, 09:41 AM)PDub80 Wrote: Where was this "Ownership/FO sucks" concept when the team was going to the playoffs 5 times in a row?

Where was it in 2013, 2014, 15 when the Bengals had an amazing roster?

Where was this line of thinking in 05, 06, & 07?

Be carefuleful if you come back with AD was good enough, etc. etc.... the question is a trap.

(11-06-2019, 10:35 AM)Nately120 Wrote: When you really think about it, you are asking how anyone could have complained about our crappy ownership when we took home a whopping six "12th Place" trophies in 7 years.  How many fanbases would be proud of that?

(11-05-2019, 11:53 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Fitz , Kap, Tannehill ,Flacco. Dalton are no longer ready for prime time players. If some one our roster can't be the future then drafting A QB with the first pick is essential. Got to get the QB who will work the best with current personal and the projected later round picks.  If the fo still refuses to go full bore in free agency we are totally f323ed. Unless we destroy the draft. The thing we need more than anything else is to have Finley show some promise. Long live Ryan

(11-06-2019, 10:35 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I can see it now...

BEARS GM - Hi Mike, we will give you a 2nd round pick for Dalton.
MB - Make it two 1st round picks and you've got yourself a deal.
BEARS GM - No.
MB - ................Can I speak to Hue Jackson?
BEARS GM - Hue Jackson doesn't work here.
MB - Oh, well I'm just going to wait for Hue Jackson to offer a great trade for Dalton.  Bye!



Meh, the Bengals caught lightning in a bottle and were making the playoffs at the same time the Pittsburgh Pirates were doing the same thing and now they're both back to being crap as they have been for the majority of the past 30 years.  Sucky ownership has placed a ceiling on our franchise to the point where winning a playoff game is about as hard as a better run franchise winning the SB.  We were the 90s Buffalo Bills of the playoffs...ooh look the Bengals made it to the playoffs again, whoop de doo, wonder who beats 'em in the opening round this time.

When you really think about it, you are asking how anyone could have complained about our crappy ownership when we took home a whopping six "12th Place" trophies in 7 years.  How many fanbases would be proud of that?

(11-06-2019, 09:41 AM)PDub80 Wrote: Where was this "Ownership/FO sucks" concept when the team was going to the playoffs 5 times in a row?

Where was it in 2013, 2014, 15 when the Bengals had an amazing roster?

Where was this line of thinking in 05, 06, & 07?

Be carefuleful if you come back with AD was good enough, etc. etc.... the question is a trap.

(11-06-2019, 09:41 AM)PDub80 Wrote: Where was this "Ownership/FO sucks" concept when the team was going to the playoffs 5 times in a row?

Where was it in 2013, 2014, 15 when the Bengals had an amazing roster?

Where was this line of thinking in 05, 06, & 07?

Be carefuleful if you come back with AD was good enough, etc. etc.... the question is a trap.

(11-05-2019, 02:47 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Just stop!
Only way he's traded is if Finley or Dolegala light it up the rest of the season.

He's on a QB friendly salary and even if we draft a QB next year, AD will be the starter til the new QB is ready.
So he might be trade bait for next year's deadline, and we all know MB won't give him up for less than a 1st. He has no reason to, he's not in a hurry to make this franchise better.

(11-05-2019, 11:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You do never know; I simply found the assertion that "Andy will be a starter, no problem" to be absurd.