(01-28-2020, 12:04 PM)MEBengalsFan Wrote: They didn't let Whit walk. They made him an offer and he got a better one from another team. Whit could have taken the Bengals offer but he did what was in his best financial interest. The Bengals could have matched the offer but they didn't feel he was worth that given his age. 

They took a gamble as they felt they had players ready to step up when he walked. Similar to how the let Levi and used Whit in his place. The difference was the players behind Whit were not ready to replace him and he was ready to replace the injured Levi Jones. The gamble failed and cost ML and his staff their jobs, well most of the staff. 

Overall I'm not surprised they let him walk. As for Tobin comment, I get it and even when everyone here was stating trade for draft capital I was against it than. If we did trade as everyone wanted, there would be less pieces in play to help build around Burrow. Instead the organization would have to hope that whoever they draft pans out vs. players that have been producing, especially since the players many wanted to trade away are still under contract going into 2020. 

(01-28-2020, 03:33 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Exactly.

The part they messed up was the talent, if not replace Whit, but to grow into it at least.  The same with Zeitler.

They massively whiffed on all of those drafted and like you said those directly responsible are no longer with the team.

I have to believe that Alexander left a massive mess here by his lack of judgment.

If there's one thing positive that I can say about the front office is I don't blame them for not overpaying Zeitler,  and Whitworth is an anomaly if you say otherwise... you're a damn liar.

After the whole debacle though...  I've come to the conclusion that if a lineman going forward is worth a damn they should overpay and squeeze every last drop of talent out of them.

They're not very good at drafting lately and they'll have to severely overpay in external Free Agency.

That is even if the FA wants to come here.

(01-28-2020, 03:07 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Don't think so, I think he became a game time decision around the last couple games or so.

He was injured after the bye and during the trade deadline so he couldn't work out for other teams even if we wanted to trade him.

(01-27-2020, 10:43 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I may not be as smart as the average bear but I am a Bengals fan. So what's your excuse Einstein?

(01-28-2020, 04:03 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: He wasn't put on IR so it must be that someone on the team thought he was close to returning.

(01-28-2020, 04:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: He was placed on IR before the last game of the season.

No doubt the Bengals were hopeful that he would return, but he just was not able to.

(01-27-2020, 09:15 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Say we traded AJ for a 1st from SF. 

SF has been mocked to drafting AJ Terrell,  Grant Delpit, Tee Higgins etc. Guys who could come in and make a difference this year.

Would love them to get as many top 100 selections as they could this year since there are so many quality players at positions they need to get better at. 

Would have traded AJ no problem at the deadline if it were possible and maybe Dunlap or geno, then move dalton in the offseason.

(01-28-2020, 03:33 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Exactly.

The part they messed up was the talent, if not replace Whit, but to grow into it at least.  The same with Zeitler.

They massively whiffed on all of those drafted and like you said those directly responsible are no longer with the team.

I have to believe that Alexander left a massive mess here by his lack of judgment.

If there's one thing positive that I can say about the front office is I don't blame them for not overpaying Zeitler,  and Whitworth is an anomaly if you say otherwise... you're a damn liar.

After the whole debacle though...  I've come to the conclusion that if a lineman going forward is worth a damn they should overpay and squeeze every last drop of talent out of them.

They're not very good at drafting lately and they'll have to severely overpay in external Free Agency.

That is even if the FA wants to come here.

(01-28-2020, 04:33 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Like I said , someone thought he was going to return or they would have put him on IR before the last game . 

(01-28-2020, 05:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So someone was wrong.

What is your point?

(01-28-2020, 05:44 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: My point is that he looked like able to play as cited by Lap but chose not to so he would go into the FA period being injured. DUH....

(01-28-2020, 06:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Your theory makes no sense.  If Green decides not to play to avoid injury then he shuts it down and goes on IR.

(01-28-2020, 06:23 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I believe that was just what he wanted but the team knew he was able to play so they kept him active to punish him. Hearing AJ still can't play week in and week out did a lot to hurt AJ's value. I truly believe this was a power play by both sides because AJ was butt hurt that he didn't get a new contract last offseason. BTW you can't force any player who says he is hurt to play( see Cordy Glenn).

(01-28-2020, 06:23 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I believe that was just what he wanted but the team knew he was able to play so they kept him active to punish him.

(01-28-2020, 06:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is getting absurd.

How the hell is being on the active roster instead of on IR any kind of punishment for the player?  The team is the one that suffers from having to work with a short roster.  It is no punishment at all to the player.

(01-28-2020, 06:29 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Your ability to determine a player isn’t injured by not examining him is impressive.

(01-28-2020, 09:18 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Oh I can see a bruised ego a mile away. AJ and AB have the same condition but they are in different stages of the disease. Don't go to the pool at AJ's high rise next summer. I failed to mention I am a telepathic psychiatrist. Don't worry I won't expose anyone's personal info, client- patient relationship and all.

(01-28-2020, 09:18 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Oh I can see a bruised ego a mile away. AJ and AB have the same condition but they are in different stages of the disease. Don't go to the pool at AJ's high rise next summer. I failed to mention I am a telepathic psychiatrist. Don't worry I won't expose anyone's personal info, client- patient relationship and all.

(01-28-2020, 04:40 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Absolutlely no way those guys would help the team more than AJ.  Especially with a new QB coming in.  After listening to Lap talk about how good AJ looked during warmups, there's no question in my mind that he was ready to play, but the team wasn't going to waste him and put him at risk.

(01-28-2020, 05:00 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: No. As much as I wanted Alexander gone, he isn’t responsible for not re-signing Whitworth or Zeitler. The people directly responsible for that mess aren’t gone. They still haven’t fixed the offensive line.

(01-28-2020, 09:37 PM)michaelsean Wrote: AJ and AB aren’t even the same species.

(01-28-2020, 09:18 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Oh I can see a bruised ego a mile away. AJ and AB have the same condition but they are in different stages of the disease. Don't go to the pool at AJ's high rise next summer. I failed to mention I am a telepathic psychiatrist. Don't worry I won't expose anyone's personal info, client- patient relationship and all.