(02-22-2023, 10:08 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: WHY would Karras bash his teammate to the media? Of course he’s going to praise him

(02-22-2023, 10:20 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Your point is reasonable, however, Karras also doesn't have to say anything at all to the media. He could be concise with a response that doesn't bash him or offer much praise. Perhaps some extra gushing reveals an authentic opinion that Karras does sincerely believe Volson has talent.

Now, if Karras is on the official journalistic record praising Adeniji I'll concede the coach speak take is spot on.

(02-22-2023, 10:08 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: WHY would Karras bash his teammate to the media? Of course he’s going to praise him

This is like the fifth time somebody has referenced some kind of coach/player speak as proof of something. Hilarious

Do us a favor, get some awareness

(02-22-2023, 10:27 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Of course he has praised Adeniji. The reporters are always talking to Ted, and when Collins went down, obviously Karras was showering Adeniji with praise.

(02-22-2023, 10:45 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I KNEW this would be your response. You're so predictable. Why would he bash him? He wouldn't. He could have said he's coming along nicely, he's working hard, he's learning the NFL and a new position. But he didn't. He said he expects him to be a top guard for a very long time. That's putting it out there. And like I said, I'll take Karras and Cappa's evaluation over yours 10 days a week.

(02-22-2023, 10:46 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Show us where Karras predicted great things for Adeniji...

(02-22-2023, 10:52 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: He wouldn’t bash him, but it’s Ted karrras talking about a rookie teammate. Hell yes he should praise him. Hell no you shouldn’t take it as gospel


Im not saying he predicted a great future for Adeniji, I’m saying he showered him with praise. I’m not going back to look, just check out the Karras interviews after the patriots game.

(02-22-2023, 10:57 AM)Sled21 Wrote: So he didn't say the same thing about Adeniji that he said about Volson. And yes, I will take what Ted Karras says over what you or any other message board posters says every time. 

(02-22-2023, 09:49 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Some of you are nothing if not hilarious with your takes. The people bashing Volson are the same people who said over and over again that Carman was a wasted pick and would never see anything but the bench, and now we're talking about him winning the LT position. So go ahead and post all the PFF garbage, and go on and comment on how horrible Volson is. About 2/3rds of the way through the season, Ted Karras and Alex Cappa said they fully expect Volson to become a top 5 guard in the NFL. I think I'll go with their opinion of how he plays and how he's improving.....

On edit: I don't remember the link where I read Cappa and Karras' prediction of him being a top 5 guard, but here is another statement from him. Like I said, I'll go with Karras' assessment,

https://www.bengals.com/news/cordell-volson-emerging-as-future-anchor-on-o-line

(02-22-2023, 09:49 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Some of you are nothing if not hilarious with your takes. The people bashing Volson are the same people who said over and over again that Carman was a wasted pick and would never see anything but the bench, and now we're talking about him winning the LT position. So go ahead and post all the PFF garbage, and go on and comment on how horrible Volson is. About 2/3rds of the way through the season, Ted Karras and Alex Cappa said they fully expect Volson to become a top 5 guard in the NFL. I think I'll go with their opinion of how he plays and how he's improving.....

On edit: I don't remember the link where I read Cappa and Karras' prediction of him being a top 5 guard, but here is another statement from him. Like I said, I'll go with Karras' assessment,

https://www.bengals.com/news/cordell-volson-emerging-as-future-anchor-on-o-line

(02-22-2023, 10:57 AM)Sled21 Wrote: So he didn't say the same thing about Adeniji that he said about Volson. And yes, I will take what Ted Karras says over what you or any other message board posters says every time. 

Ted Karras Wrote:  I have  all the confidence in the world. He's (Adeniji) played a lot of football for us already this year and done a great job, and you know we got a good unit.

(02-22-2023, 01:24 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The first time Williams hurt his knee was in the 5th game of the season against the Ravens.  I dont remember Williams doing all that great even before the injury against the Ravens although someone with a PFF subscription could correct me if I am wrong. 

As far as the 2021 season, even in 2021 Williams still gave up 8 sacks which put him in the top 5 of all tackles in sacks allowed.  This makes two years in a row Williams has been one of the worst tackles protecting his QB.  Personally, I wouldnt expect any dramatic change in year 5.  I would think he probably finishes toward the top in sacks allowed for the 3rd year in a row.  I will also expect some fans will continue to make the excuse for him this year that he had surgery in the offseason so he shouldnt be expected to play well when it does happen.

(02-21-2023, 08:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Folks just like to proclaim "hate" because they think any opinion that disagrees with theirs has no merit.

I hope Volston becomes the next great OG in the league, but it's obvious our oline needs upgrading and if you ask me for the weakest link in our 2022 oline starters I'd say it was Cordell Volston. Hell even Hakeen Adeniji outscored him according to PFF.

(02-22-2023, 12:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yes and no.

If looking at the overall grade in the regular season only, Adeniji had a higher grade than Volson.
But Volson still had a better PFF pass block rating in the regular season than Adeniji (52.9 vs Adeniji's 48.4).

In the postseason, it's glaringly different.
Adeniji - 29.8 PBR (15 pressures allowed); 43.6 overall
Volson - 54.0 PBR (5 pressures allowed); 62.9 overall

For those that don't know, the 50's is just "meh starter" level.
60-70 is solid
70-80 is above average
80+ is great

I can agree with you that Volson is probably the worst starter on the team, although he's pretty consistent now. You don't have a lot of down performances from him. It's unfortunately just consistently meh.
Meanwhile, the OTs have injuries and their contracts are almost up (Williams final year, Collins 2nd-to-last year).
The Bengals can get by with one OL performing like Volson and be in a really good spot.
They can't have Volson at his level while also having someone like Adeniji also on the OL performing (well) below average.
That's the kind of thing that gets your QB pressured a ton.

(02-22-2023, 10:27 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Of course he has praised Adeniji. The reporters are always talking to Ted, and when Collins went down, obviously Karras was showering Adeniji with praise.

(02-22-2023, 12:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yes and no.

If looking at the overall grade in the regular season only, Adeniji had a higher grade than Volson.
But Volson still had a better PFF pass block rating in the regular season than Adeniji (52.9 vs Adeniji's 48.4).

In the postseason, it's glaringly different.
Adeniji - 29.8 PBR (15 pressures allowed); 43.6 overall
Volson - 54.0 PBR (5 pressures allowed); 62.9 overall

For those that don't know, the 50's is just "meh starter" level.
60-70 is solid
70-80 is above average
80+ is great

I can agree with you that Volson is probably the worst starter on the team, although he's pretty consistent now. You don't have a lot of down performances from him. It's unfortunately just consistently meh.
Meanwhile, the OTs have injuries and their contracts are almost up (Williams final year, Collins 2nd-to-last year).
The Bengals can get by with one OL performing like Volson and be in a really good spot.
They can't have Volson at his level while also having someone like Adeniji also on the OL performing (well) below average.
That's the kind of thing that gets your QB pressured a ton.

(02-22-2023, 12:58 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I can accept meh from a LG but this team has tackle questions as well. It’s not like when Whit and Smith were here and you could live with a Volson type at guard.

If cincy thinks they can upgrade LG, and the opportunity is there, we all should be for it

(02-22-2023, 02:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This is where I'm at. If we can upgrade from Jonah, I'm all for that as well; it doesn't mean I'm hating/bashing. I've advocated for John M. Schmitz (U of Minn.) and want him and JB to be the modern pay Manning/Saturday for the next decade. But the team might not want to break the chemistry Karras-JB have.

I'd be equally as happy if we drafted a LT (Jones/Freeland) and let Jonah/Carman/Volson battle it out for RT/LG.

I just want the 5 best linemen we can get on the field and I currently see LG as a weakness

(02-22-2023, 03:19 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Did anyone find anything definitive about whether Collins can be cut or not? I know they can cut him at the end of preseason, whether he's still injured or not...but how about before then? 

I was under the impression that an injured player couldn't be cut during the offseason, but Dehner and Morrison both had him as one of their offseason cuts, and Jake Liscow said he could be released while injured but it would reduce the cap savings from 6m to 4m?

Extremely confusing. 

(02-18-2023, 10:20 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Is an injury settlement needed to part ways with Collins? Whatever the case, I just don't think you can trust his body / health enough at this point...and his overall play wasn't great before the knee injury, struggling with the back issues all year.