(10-01-2024, 04:25 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I know Sample has a role right now, but he really shouldn't be here next year. He's on a 17 game (13 start) season pace for 17 catches/119 yards (7.0 AVG)/0 TD and 4 first downs.... in over 520 snaps on offense.

If you're producing THAT little in the passing game, you're really just a blocker and at that point I can't help but think we'd be better off with just a 6th actual OL on the field who is 300+lbs.

(10-01-2024, 04:49 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That is the thing, Erick All and McLachlan make it okay to move on from Drew Sample when it is time. But you don't just cut him now, crazy.

(10-01-2024, 06:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Just trying to slip that in like nobody would notice, Nate? Nice try. A 6th round rookie with 0 nfl snaps, who can't get active on gameday, who will be 26 next year, isn't making anything okay. Lol

We still need to add a quality TE to go with All next year because we will be Tee-less. Making sure we can lean on the TEs more is all that much more important.

(10-01-2024, 06:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Just trying to slip that in like nobody would notice, Nate? Nice try. A 6th round rookie with 0 nfl snaps, who can't get active on gameday, who will be 26 next year, isn't making anything okay. Lol

We still need to add a quality TE to go with All next year because we will be Tee-less. Making sure we can lean on the TEs more is all that much more important.

(10-01-2024, 07:24 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Sample will be here for his entire contract: he's too valuable on the non-stat sheet things and players like him will be on every team.

Even with Aaron Hernandez and Gronkowski, the Patriots still had Michael Hoomanawanui as your blocker.

You need one blocker (Sample), one receiver (Gesicki) and one hybrid, if you're going to use the TE as much as we are.

(10-01-2024, 04:25 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I know Sample has a role right now, but he really shouldn't be here next year. He's on a 17 game (13 start) season pace for 17 catches/119 yards (7.0 AVG)/0 TD and 4 first downs.... in over 520 snaps on offense.

If you're producing THAT little in the passing game, you're really just a blocker and at that point I can't help but think we'd be better off with just a 6th actual OL on the field who is 300+lbs.

(10-01-2024, 07:57 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: When they had Hernandez and Gronk they only had Hoom for 1 year, and that year he played 23.41% of the snaps that year. The only year Hoom was the #2 TE and played half or more of the snaps, Tom Brady had the lowest QB Rating of his final 19 years in the NFL. Having a guy who is only a blocking TE play this much is not good, and we have no Gronk and we have no Hernandez to play in front of him.

You don't need 1 blocker, 1 receiver, and 1 hybrid. I feel like that's the antiquated idea of needing 1 big slow power back and 1 small quick scat back. You can just get good players instead even if they don't fit into the archetypical roles. It's arguably better than roles as you're not announcing to the defense what you're doing by what personnel you have out there.

Even if you wanted to fill the roles specifically I would argue we would have 2 blockers in All and Sample. With All only potentially growing into a hyrbid but currently seeming like a heck of a blocker. We don't need both next year. Our TE rooms have been so bad lately that we've lowered our hopes and expectations for it to near-bottom depths. Felt like I had this same conversation two years ago when there were so many people in love with Hayden Hurst and certain we needed to keep him despite him not being very good.

(10-01-2024, 02:09 PM)Synric Wrote: Drew Sample has a small but important role on the roster and is playing well. The Bengals are doing a really nice job rotating the TEs and using their strengths. 

(10-01-2024, 04:25 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I know Sample has a role right now, but he really shouldn't be here next year. He's on a 17 game (13 start) season pace for 17 catches/119 yards (7.0 AVG)/0 TD and 4 first downs.... in over 520 snaps on offense.

If you're producing THAT little in the passing game, you're really just a blocker and at that point I can't help but think we'd be better off with just a 6th actual OL on the field who is 300+lbs.

(10-01-2024, 06:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Just trying to slip that in like nobody would notice, Nate? Nice try. A 6th round rookie with 0 nfl snaps, who can't get active on gameday, who will be 26 next year, isn't making anything okay. Lol

We still need to add a quality TE to go with All next year because we will be Tee-less. Making sure we can lean on the TEs more is all that much more important.

(10-02-2024, 01:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: No, you must not have done any research on McLachlan to write him off like that though. He has more production than All in college and 
is just as good of a pass catcher and the only reason he fell to the 6th round was because of his age and covid. McLachlan looked good in 
Preseason and the only reason he isn't active is because he is a rookie and we are actually deep at TE for once.

Of course I am for drafting a TE early as both Gesicki and Hudson could be gone but I am not acting like McLachlan is a loser because he 
is 26. BTW, why would I try to slip something in like nobody would notice? Strange question?

(10-02-2024, 01:40 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you just like Nate Mchlachlan because his name is Nate

(10-02-2024, 09:51 AM)PhilHos Wrote: I get where you're coming from, but from what I've heard, our 12 package with Sample and All on the field is our most effective offensive package. Not to mention, I don't think the reason for Sample not having a lot of catches is because he's not a good receiver; I think it's in how we use him (kind of like how Kyle Pitts only has 8 catches on the season is probably not due to Pitts' abilities as a receiver). I'm not saying Sample is anywhere near Pitts' level as a TE, just pointing out that a big reason for Sample's lack of stats is in how we use him.

Joe Burrow on more two tight end looks: It fits who we are now. We have the personnel to do it. That's who we are now.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) October 2, 2024

(10-02-2024, 05:44 AM)Synric Wrote: Teams carry a blocking TE. Darnell Washington, Charlie Kolar, Jordan Atkins just in the AFC North. Along with Drew Sample not only are they apart of the offense but a big part of special teams.

Cutting Drew in 2025 would also create an unnecessary hole on the roster especially when they will likely be losing 1 maybe 2 of the Tight Ends currently on the roster (Geisiki, Hudson). Sample is cheap and plays TE-Y, Fullback, and Special Teams. It's Mike Gesicki the Bengals will likely need to replace in 2025 Byrson Nesbit UNC could be a day 3 target foe the Bengals for that role.

(10-02-2024, 04:33 PM)pally Wrote:

Joe Burrow on more two tight end looks: It fits who we are now. We have the personnel to do it. That's who we are now.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) October 2, 2024

Offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher on Erick All’s willingness to be violent as a blocker:
“I’ll say this. Maybe it goes beyond willing and turns into eager — an eagerness to be violent. That’s probably a better descriptor.”

— Dan Hoard (@Dan_Hoard) October 2, 2024

(10-02-2024, 04:33 PM)pally Wrote:

Joe Burrow on more two tight end looks: It fits who we are now. We have the personnel to do it. That's who we are now.

— Charlie Goldsmith (@CharlieG__) October 2, 2024