(02-16-2018, 11:57 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: No it doesn't (at least not for this particular instance). it says they're very good at negotiating if anything. They were able to agree on a second and third round pick, which nobody else agreed on. The trade fell apart for whatever reason, but the fact is they were able to negotiate that trade. And they knew they would get at the very least a comp pick if they let him walk, so they had that in their back pocket. Say what you want about this FO, but trading is something they're pretty good at. Look at the Palmer deal as an example. 

And yeah, I don't have any ill will toward him. I hope he wins multiple SBs with his new team. 

(02-16-2018, 09:26 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: They actually won't. This fits their blueprint on how to do things.

They'll actually get a third round comp pick If they stay under $9M APY. So this seals the deal for being "buyers" in FA.

They also need to lose more UFAs than they sign. Eifert & Hill also seem like comp pick candidates if the Bengals don't re-sign them.


So they still get a pick, just not as good of one if they traded.

(02-16-2018, 12:14 PM)Nately120 Wrote:  Mike Brown wanted more for McCarron than the 49ers paid for the highly sought Garoppolo and it fell through.  Both times he ended up missing out because he placed more value on a player than people who are held accountable for their errors would have.

(02-16-2018, 01:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That has nothing to do with why the trade with the browns failed.

(02-16-2018, 02:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If the Bengals had traded McCarron a week before the deadline the same people bashing Mike Brown here would be bashing him for "moving to quick instead of being patient and getting more value".

(02-16-2018, 02:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If the Bengals had traded McCarron a week before the deadline the same people bashing Mike Brown here would be bashing him for "moving to quick instead of being patient and getting more value".

(02-15-2018, 10:48 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: I don't agree at all.

On a dominant team it's feasible.

Not on the damn Browns.

If he "statues" like he does he'll get his ass planted.

I guess I don't see whatever everyone else sees in AJM though even in a small sample size.

I'm not even sure if he's better than Josh McCown to be honest with you.

(02-15-2018, 09:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: They were smart to wait for the best value.

There is no way you can blame the front office for this.  They played their cards correctly and got more value than any of you here ever predicted.  They can't help it if the Browns screwed the pooch.

And anyone comparing this to the way the Reds handled Chapman is completely clueless.  the Bengals traded McCarron when his valkue was higher than anyone here predicted.  That is the exact opposite of what the Reds did with Chapman.

(02-15-2018, 10:51 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Perhaps

or sign Teddy Bridgewater and have a 1st round selection who has already been to the Pro Bowl with more wins than losses on his resume. 

Bengals love rehabilitating players they can get on the cheap. And or criminals that matter.

(02-16-2018, 02:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Completely agree with you. I mean even when he played okay he held onto the ball too long and got sacked twice as
much as Dalton rate wise in that short time with a much better O-line than we have today. I still thought he was a good
backup back then but then last Offseason happened and he was way worse than Jeff Driskel our other backup.

Driskel is a great running backup as well and i like him much better.

Just wish we would of got something for AJM when he had some value. Mikey Boy botched this one. I am sure there
were other offers and even if we would of got a 4th rounder for him it would of been great.

(02-16-2018, 03:48 PM)Stonyhands Wrote: Ok, that’s just not true.  AJ had some good showings.  He did more against the top defense that won the Super Bowl than did Cam Newton.  Not only that but he beat the Ravens and we were one defensive stop/meltdown/fumble away from winning our first playoff game in decades.  

Some of you need to open your blinders.  AJ has never had the chance to become the guy here.  The way this organization operates Andy is it until he doesn’t want to be, period.  That’s why Marvin will be the most unsuccessful tenured coach in NFL history.  No team will ever hold on to a coach that long without a playoff win and no coach besides Marvin could stand to operate in an organization under Mike Brown for that long.  

Most franchise QBs with that kind of security have a certain intangible other NFL QBs don’t have.  What’s Andy’s?  What does he do better than other QBs that allows him to not be held accountable for his play?  It’s just absolutely insane how much of a pass he gets because every year it’s a different excuse as to why it’s not his fault.

(02-16-2018, 02:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If the Bengals had traded McCarron a week before the deadline the same people bashing Mike Brown here would be bashing him for "moving to quick instead of being patient and getting more value".