(03-16-2020, 09:02 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: My expectation is the team will sale franchising AJ Green as their big free agency splash.

(03-16-2020, 09:02 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: My expectation is the team will sale franchising AJ Green as their big free agency splash.

(03-16-2020, 09:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Ok, what I'm about to do here will amuse some, and likely piss off some others, but here goes.

A team starts out with $198.2M in total salary cap for this season, correct?

The new NFL minimum, for guys on rookie contracts is $675K, correct?  According to last year's stats, 65% of players were on minimum deals (obviously not all on rookie contracts)  But, for the sake of arguments, let's assume they are all on rookie minimum deals.  The new roster limit it 55, so 65% of 55 players is just under 36, so we'll use 36 as our number.  36 players x $675k = $24.3M, so add to that number the amount of AJ Greens franchise tag, $17.8M, and you get a total of $42.1M.  So far so good.  Then add the estimated $11M for the rookie salary pool, and now were up to $53.1 already spoken for, leaving a whopping $145.1M to spread out over the remaining 19 players that make up the nucleus of your team.

But hey, we have a couple of stars on the defense who make good money..  So, subtract Carlos and Geno's cap hits ($25.2M total) from the total, taking us down to now $119.2M to be spread over 17 starter quality players, leaving an average of $7.05M to spend on each of 17 players that will make up your starting lineup.

Welp, then we have Tyler Boyd's $8.05M cap hit, now down to $111.85M to spread over 16 players, now down to an average of $6.99M left to spend on each of the remaining players.

Oh, and WJ III is going to cost $9.95M this year, so now down to $101.1M to spread over 15 players, leaving an average of $6.74M per player to spend.  Still thinking that you can make a star studded lineup with that remaining money?  Don't forget, you need starter quality players at all of those positions..


Obviously, the numbers work out just a little differently than what I laid out, but you definitely get the idea.  Cap management isn't quite as clear cut and easy as one might think it is.  The Bengals generally honor their contracts, and new cap guidelines are forcing more teams to go the way of the Bengals.  If the Bengals end up adding 2 quality free agents this year, it will be a win for both the team and the fans.

(03-16-2020, 09:58 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: That's all well and noted... but how ever does the rest of the league do it?

(03-16-2020, 09:58 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: That's all well and noted... but how ever does the rest of the league do it?

(03-16-2020, 09:58 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: That's all well and noted... but how ever does the rest of the league do it?

(03-16-2020, 10:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't know.  Pull out your calculator and do some work, then maybe you can tell me how they pull it off?

(03-16-2020, 10:35 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: They take risks that we don’t want to. Plus, we’re an instant gratification kinda society, so that probably plays a small part in it. People are already losing their mind over this like it’s something new (while being the first day to boot). It’s how they operate, always has been, always will be.

(03-16-2020, 10:58 PM)J24 Wrote: They cut/trade players they know won't be on the roster last season.
Dalton has 16 or 17 million 
Dre Kirkpatrick that's 9 million in cap savings if they designate it as June first cut.

(03-16-2020, 09:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Ok, what I'm about to do here will amuse some, and likely piss off some others, but here goes.

A team starts out with $198.2M in total salary cap for this season, correct?

The new NFL minimum, for guys on rookie contracts is $675K, correct?  According to last year's stats, 65% of players were on minimum deals (obviously not all on rookie contracts)  But, for the sake of arguments, let's assume they are all on rookie minimum deals.  The new roster limit it 55, so 65% of 55 players is just under 36, so we'll use 36 as our number.  36 players x $675k = $24.3M, so add to that number the amount of AJ Greens franchise tag, $17.8M, and you get a total of $42.1M.  So far so good.  Then add the estimated $11M for the rookie salary pool, and now were up to $53.1 already spoken for, leaving a whopping $145.1M to spread out over the remaining 19 players that make up the nucleus of your team.

But hey, we have a couple of stars on the defense who make good money..  So, subtract Carlos and Geno's cap hits ($25.2M total) from the total, taking us down to now $119.2M to be spread over 17 starter quality players, leaving an average of $7.05M to spend on each of 17 players that will make up your starting lineup.

Welp, then we have Tyler Boyd's $8.05M cap hit, now down to $111.85M to spread over 16 players, now down to an average of $6.99M left to spend on each of the remaining players.

Oh, and WJ III is going to cost $9.95M this year, so now down to $101.1M to spread over 15 players, leaving an average of $6.74M per player to spend.  Still thinking that you can make a star studded lineup with that remaining money?  Don't forget, you need starter quality players at all of those positions..


Obviously, the numbers work out just a little differently than what I laid out, but you definitely get the idea.  Cap management isn't quite as clear cut and easy as one might think it is.  The Bengals generally honor their contracts, and new cap guidelines are forcing more teams to go the way of the Bengals.  If the Bengals end up adding 2 quality free agents this year, it will be a win for both the team and the fans.

(03-16-2020, 09:58 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: That's all well and noted... but how ever does the rest of the league do it?

(03-16-2020, 10:35 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: They take risks that we don’t want to. Plus, we’re an instant gratification kinda society, so that probably plays a small part in it. People are already losing their mind over this like it’s something new (while being the first day to boot). It’s how they operate, always has been, always will be.

(03-16-2020, 10:58 PM)J24 Wrote: They cut/trade players they know won't be on the roster last season.
Dalton has 16 or 17 million 
Dre Kirkpatrick that's 9 million in cap savings if they designate it as June first cut.

(03-16-2020, 11:10 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Bengals rarely cut players for some reason. I think Steelers cut 3 this week for example. They rarely restructure contracts and they have no creativity, no out of box thinking playing it safe always. Result is a boring product and losing team when they also draft average or worse.

(03-16-2020, 11:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Everyone wants to be a critic, yet no one wants to present a solution?  C'mon guys, put your brains where your mouths are.  Do like I did, pull out a calculator and a pencil and do some work.  

Tell me who you would cut, and who you would propose replacing that player with that is not only better, but will cost the same or less.

(03-16-2020, 11:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Everyone wants to be a critic, yet no one wants to present a solution?  C'mon guys, put your brains where your mouths are.  Do like I did, pull out a calculator and a pencil and do some work.  

Tell me who you would cut, and who you would propose replacing that player with that is not only better, but will cost the same or less.

(03-16-2020, 11:31 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Gladly.  Without running the the numbers, and taking into account their historical cheapness, I would cut Glenn (already) gone and Dre and signed Conklin or Glasgow.  I want to protect my first round investment.  Those moves, at worst, would have broken even and burrow is better protected.  The rest is gravy


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(03-16-2020, 09:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "Jonah Williams coming back is just like signing a starting LT!"   


(A variant on the classic "1st round pick did nothing/got hurt, so for year 2 it's like having an extra 1st round pick!" Bengals trope.)