(10-06-2020, 02:49 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: The fact that the Bengals moved on from Andy and drafted Joe, which was absolutely the right move, doesn't mean that Andy never did good things for this organization during his time here. I think it's crazy how much the guy is still hated and disrespected, even though he's in Dallas now. Andy was always a class act, was a part of 5 playoff seasons and had some outstanding performances as the Bengals starting QB. 

It's one thing to say he wasn't good enough to take us to the next level or that we needed to find someone more dynamic at the position...I felt the same way, but I also won't shit on Andy because I appreciate the good things he did in the 9 years he was here. Much like Marvin, it wasn't enough and he ended up having some very real limitations. 

I'm ecstatic we have Burrow and think he'll wind up being an elite QB. Not sure why fans can't just be happy about that, instead of continually shitting on a guy who's no longer here. The Bengals moved on from Andy. Fans should probably do the same. 

(10-06-2020, 03:00 PM)Wire22Wire Wrote: He’s in Dallas and yet you’re writing paragraphs defending him and telling other how to talk about him.

He was a nice guy loser who sucked under pressure and who the bengals wasted 8 years with.  

You should move on from being his fanboy/bodyguard.

Eight wasted years

(10-06-2020, 01:29 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: As I said, Burrow will be fine. He's been under a ton of pressure, which affects the deep throws, also he's dealt with some drops. These aren't excuses, it's just the reality of things. Football is a team game. A passing game relies of blocking and catching just as much as the QB.

In the long haul, I think Burrow will be dropping dimes on deep throws. He needs time to throw and more time to gel with the receivers. Dude didn't even get a preseason.

(10-06-2020, 02:07 PM)PDub80 Wrote: For any Bengals fan to even begin to open their mouth about a criticism of Burrow at this point is obnoxious and turdy.

(10-06-2020, 03:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Sorry but everyone is open to criticism. It doesn't mean he sucks. If he hits Green with that deep ball in game #1, pretty good chance there's no need for that ending and it's a win. So he gets some blame for the loss, as well. Pointing that out doesn't lessen what he's done well in every other area. 

And i'll bet you every damn penny that i've made in my lifetime that Burrow would agree. 

(10-06-2020, 03:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Sorry but everyone is open to criticism. It doesn't mean he sucks. If he hits Green with that deep ball in game #1, pretty good chance there's no need for that ending and it's a win. So he gets some blame for the loss, as well. Pointing that out doesn't lessen what he's done well in every other area. 

And i'll bet you every damn penny that i've made in my lifetime that Burrow would agree. 

(10-06-2020, 03:26 PM)McC Wrote: I believe Joe himself, about that missed throw said, "A high schooler could hit that throw."

(10-06-2020, 03:27 PM)Earendil Wrote: I agree with this.

What I don't get is why we have to denigrate Andy in order to praise Joe, or vice versa.  I will always appreciate the man that Andy was, but I can do that and still be happy we have Joe.

(10-06-2020, 03:30 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yup. And the great thing is, we can point out that he needs to improve that, knowing from his past that he will, and he's still been outstanding so far this year. 

I mean, you just get that feeling that no matter who he's playing, he's going to go out there and find a way to succeed. 

(10-04-2020, 07:15 PM)bengaloo Wrote: I think a big part of it has been the pressure and lack of running game. Also the WR's dropping balls and the lack of AJ Green playing at a high level. The deep passes will come, but as it is now, he's putting up over 300 yards per game so I see no reason to worry.

(10-06-2020, 03:26 PM)McC Wrote: I believe Joe himself, about that missed throw said, "A high schooler could hit that throw."

(10-06-2020, 03:34 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The last couple years i ragged on AD hard because it was beyond obvious that he had done all he could and it just wasn't good enough to win a playoff game, let alone a ring. 

Since he's been gone i've tried to completely refrain from referencing him unless i'm anwering a post that has to do with him. Also, since he's gone, i don't see any reason to dump more doodoo on his head. 

Water and bridges and whatnot. 

(10-06-2020, 03:34 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The last couple years i ragged on AD hard because it was beyond obvious that he had done all he could and it just wasn't good enough to win a playoff game, let alone a ring. 

Since he's been gone i've tried to completely refrain from referencing him unless i'm anwering a post that has to do with him. Also, since he's gone, i don't see any reason to dump more doodoo on his head. 

Water and bridges and whatnot. 

(10-06-2020, 04:40 PM)Earendil Wrote: My post wasn't directed at you. I'm sorry if it seemed that way.

(10-06-2020, 02:07 PM)PDub80 Wrote: He's played a total of 4 games with no preseason and his play would still = 3-1 or 4-0 if his teammates could play to 75% of his level consistently. For any Bengals fan to even begin to open their mouth about a criticism of Burrow at this point is obnoxious and turdy.

Meanwhile, the favorite redhead some of you fools inexplicably keep wanting to rub one off to is right where he should be: The backup on an 0-4 Cowboys team. Joe Burrow after 4 NFL games (all things considered) >>>>> Andy Dalton's finest hour.

Sorry those w AD jerseys have to toss them on the same "I was wrong" pile they keep their George Iloka and Sanu shirts. Time to pony up the cash for some Burrow swag, get with the future of the organization, and quit crying about what people (RIGHTFULLY) said about BLANDY DULLton being mediocre in 2011.

(10-06-2020, 03:15 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I think he'll be ok too but you can't just sweep 1/22 with 1 drop under the rug. Excuses or not, he's not at such a disadvanage to everyone else that it's affecting him that bad. He's had at least a handful of throws with no pressure that he's just missed. 

I'm not ready to throw the switch for the alarm though. As i said, i think he'll come around sometime this season. 

(10-06-2020, 03:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Sorry but everyone is open to criticism. It doesn't mean he sucks. If he hits Green with that deep ball in game #1, pretty good chance there's no need for that ending and it's a win. So he gets some blame for the loss, as well. Pointing that out doesn't lessen what he's done well in every other area. 

And i'll bet you every damn penny that i've made in my lifetime that Burrow would agree. 

(10-06-2020, 08:22 PM)PDub80 Wrote: I live in the real, not the ideal. It's unrealistic to expect perfection from anyone. Every player has a bad play or two. The fact that Bengals fans are pointing to 3 or 4 plays in the guys first 4 games, while he's surrounded by pros who are making 4+ mistakes per game, is asinine. Burrow has been unreal and surpassed any reasonable or even lofty expectation. All behind a bad O line & 2 has been WRs as "deep threats" the first 2 weeks (Green & Ross).... with ZERO practice games and 2 weeks of half-assed walk throughs.

- Single game rookie completion record? Check
- 1st rookie to throw for at least 300 yards in 3 straight games? Check
- Most pass attempts in a game by a rookie w out an INT? Check
- 4th rated QB through 4 games according to PFF after this Sunday

Bengals fans response to a football gift from God: "Dur dur dur... he missed a deep ball."

Bunch of clown shoes lurking around the Bengals forums. 

(10-06-2020, 08:22 PM)PDub80 Wrote: I live in the real, not the ideal. It's unrealistic to expect perfection from anyone. Every player has a bad play or two. The fact that Bengals fans are pointing to 3 or 4 plays in the guys first 4 games, while he's surrounded by pros who are making 4+ mistakes per game, is asinine. Burrow has been unreal and surpassed any reasonable or even lofty expectation. All behind a bad O line & 2 has been WRs as "deep threats" the first 2 weeks (Green & Ross).... with ZERO practice games and 2 weeks of half-assed walk throughs.

- Single game rookie completion record? Check
- 1st rookie to throw for at least 300 yards in 3 straight games? Check
- Most pass attempts in a game by a rookie w out an INT? Check
- 4th rated QB through 4 games according to PFF after this Sunday

Bengals fans response to a football gift from God: "Dur dur dur... he missed a deep ball."

Bunch of clown shoes lurking around the Bengals forums. 

(10-06-2020, 09:03 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: 1/22 isn't "missed a deep ball". But i get it and i agree. He's been spectacular in every other area. Still, that doens't make him immune to criticism. If you don't like it from Bengals fans, take it from the guy himself when he said 'a high schooler could make that throw'. 

If you said...and maybe you are...that the OP has an axe to grind and he's being unreasonable, i agree 100%. But i don't see how you can disagree with more level headed posters that glow about his positives while still being able to say he needs to improve the deep ball. Especially when they follow that with, they believe he will, given time. 

(10-04-2020, 08:00 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Eh, the bigger bone of contention was the constant throw-aways and giving up on plays, that along with playing his worst when the games were bigger.