(05-12-2022, 09:41 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I felt Carman regressed. not sure if it was his ability or coaching hurt him not helped him last year.. but he needs to improve quick if he is starter next year

(05-13-2022, 12:54 PM)OSUfan Wrote: You need to use perspective in this situation. Carman played LT at Clemson. He was brought into the Bengals organization and worked in many different positions as a means of evaluation and an attempt to put the 5 best linemen on the field. So while trying to learn a new position like guard he was also being moved from left to right. There should be some curve expected in this situation.

I think maybe we should give the young man a bit more of a chance before we doom him forever or categorize him as having regressed. How do you actually regress in a position you hadn't played?

(05-13-2022, 12:54 PM)OSUfan Wrote: You need to use perspective in this situation. Carman played LT at Clemson. He was brought into the Bengals organization and worked in many different positions as a means of evaluation and an attempt to put the 5 best linemen on the field. So while trying to learn a new position like guard he was also being moved from left to right. There should be some curve expected in this situation.

I think maybe we should give the young man a bit more of a chance before we doom him forever or categorize him as having regressed. How do you actually regress in a position you hadn't played?

(05-13-2022, 05:54 PM)AtomicBlaze Wrote:  I don't blame Carman, I blame Mike Brown for drafting him in the first place about 2 rounds too early with no backup plan.  Why were we depending on a rookie coming off back surgery who never played a position before and came to camp overweight.  Not to mention we had a QB coming off very serious knee surgery.  The whole scenario showed how incompetent our front office is when it comes to the OL and for those of you who think Carman will save us again, I hope for Joe Burrows sake you are right.

(05-13-2022, 05:54 PM)AtomicBlaze Wrote:   Why were we depending on a rookie coming off back surgery who never played a position before and came to camp overweight.

(05-13-2022, 06:55 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: I dont think Carman is going to save anyone.   I bet Carman eventually ends up sitting on the bench due to back issues while we rely on someone else at LG. 

(05-13-2022, 12:14 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Regressed from what? He’s had 6 starts in the NFL. There’s barely a baseline.

(05-13-2022, 12:54 PM)OSUfan Wrote: You need to use perspective in this situation. Carman played LT at Clemson. He was brought into the Bengals organization and worked in many different positions as a means of evaluation and an attempt to put the 5 best linemen on the field. So while trying to learn a new position like guard he was also being moved from left to right. There should be some curve expected in this situation.

I think maybe we should give the young man a bit more of a chance before we doom him forever or categorize him as having regressed. How do you actually regress in a position you hadn't played?

(05-13-2022, 10:27 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: yes, he started games 3,4, 5, 7,8 . never started again till our backup last game against Cleveland.. he got the chance to take the job and was benched mid season.. so regressed i would say is a very good analyze of 1st year...

(05-13-2022, 10:27 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote:  he got the chance to take the job and was benched mid season.. so regressed

(05-13-2022, 10:31 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: by giving the starting job and getting benched mid season 

(05-14-2022, 12:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I think the Bengals are the first NFL team to "bench" a player by having him taken off the field on a cart.

Shocking that a 2nd round pick would "regress" so much that he could not even walk off the field.

(05-14-2022, 01:24 PM)AtomicBlaze Wrote: He did regress because of a back injury that was very predictable based on the fact that he just had surgery and was rushed back.  This is exactly why he is completely unreliable, we will never know when his back pain will flare up again.  The back injury may explain poor performance and lack of preparation because of missed practices and the inability for full contact in practices.  If Jackson Carman did not have this injury I would be ok with giving him a shot at being starting LG, last thing we need to have is LG who can't play every week and can't build any chemistry with the same starting 5.  This is why I want Spain back, there is just no reason to take this risk when we have perfectly capable and affordable Guard we can get in free agency.

(05-14-2022, 02:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You lost me when you said you wanted Spain back.

If injury issues is the only reason you don't want Carmen back then you would not want Spain who is also recovering from injury issues.

(05-14-2022, 04:40 PM)AtomicBlaze Wrote: Depends on the injury what injury is he recovering from?  If it is a back injury then yes it is a no go.

(05-14-2022, 06:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What is so special about a back injury?

Rob Gronkowski was a 3 time All-Pro after back surgery.

(05-13-2022, 10:31 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Not really.

There’s nothing to regress from when you’re bad right out of the gate. And he only got to start due to injuries to XSF and Adeniji.

(05-13-2022, 05:54 PM)AtomicBlaze Wrote:  I don't blame Carman, I blame Mike Brown for drafting him in the first place about 2 rounds too early with no backup plan.  Why were we depending on a rookie coming off back surgery who never played a position before and came to camp overweight.  Not to mention we had a QB coming off very serious knee surgery.  The whole scenario showed how incompetent our front office is when it comes to the OL and for those of you who think Carman will save us again, I hope for Joe Burrows sake you are right.

(05-14-2022, 07:59 PM)OSUfan Wrote: Oh lordy here we go with trashing of the front office and the Mike Brown bashing. That Damn Mike Brown and drafting Jamarr Chase. We were not depending on a rookie and not even sure where you came up with that narrative.

(05-14-2022, 06:55 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: sorry he was drafted to start little doubt they gave him a chance to achieve that.. he had a the opportunity in his grasp and did not accomplish it.. funny if his name was Price, many would be saying the same thing I am... hmmmm

(05-14-2022, 06:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: What is so special about a back injury?

Rob Gronkowski was a 3 time All-Pro after back surgery.