(07-16-2022, 08:15 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Said at the end of the season that there was only two choices, pay Bates or release him.

Everybody understands there will not be enough money available to sign him next year, so don't get making him mad and using the tag. He already mailed it in last regular season and may again if disgruntled. For the record I would much rather he mailed it in during league play and balled out in playoffs like he did though and still like the kid.

I don't hate Bates at all even, in this league you have to get your money while you can and this will probably be his biggest contract of his career, I get it.

On the Bengals side though the tag was only smart if you knew Bates would happily play on the tag.  Yet if there was a question at all about him playing or having his heart 100% into the team while doing so ? Then it was time to move along and use that $13 million on a FA that would help out Bengals more so during a win now season.

Now Bates is in a tough spot as well, being a more athletic safety has been signed. If he plays on tag and gets out played by a rookie then his value drops like a lead zeppelin before negotiations even begin on his contract.   It's a mess that should have been avoided imo, Bates earned his payday in the playoffs and we should have let him cash in since we were monetarily hamstrung with Burrow, Chase, Higgins, and Wilson contracts looming.  

It's sad because I want both sides to win in this deal.

(07-17-2022, 10:08 AM)GodFather Wrote: Nice post. 


The league in general is starting to give more guaranteed money in contracts that the Bengals don’t like doing. They will need to adjust that to keep,up,with the ever changing times in the NFL to get things done. 

Bates and his agent have to meet the Bengals somewhere in the middle. Pat of me thinks the agent is saying “Look what I did with the Watson deal, let’s get something  similarly done for you in the safety position. 

So I think both sides need to realize it’s not their way or the highway. 

Also was the Bengals thinking all along we need money for Joe and Chase so,let’s tag him to get one more good year out of Bates with a contract they knew would never get signed?

Nothing but speculating when you don’t know the d\yna ics of the negotiations. 

(07-16-2022, 08:15 PM)Go Cards Wrote: On the Bengals side though the tag was only smart if you knew Bates would happily play on the tag. 

(07-17-2022, 11:58 AM)Housh Wrote: Just so everyone knows…it’s not Bates job to come back to please us or his teammates. He’s supposed to get the best deal he can get to secure himself and all the other stuff is second.

(07-17-2022, 11:41 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No player in the history of the NFL has "happily" played on the tag.

But 99% of them play the regular season and do their best to look good so that they can get a better deal next offseason.

(07-17-2022, 11:41 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No player in the history of the NFL has "happily" played on the tag.

But 99% of them play the regular season and do their best to look good so that they can get a better deal next offseason.

(07-17-2022, 11:58 AM)Housh Wrote: Just so everyone knows…it’s not Bates job to come back to please us or his teammates. He’s supposed to get the best deal he can get to secure himself and all the other stuff is second.

If he doesn’t play on the tag and is willing to sit out then so be it. It would take balls to do that

(07-17-2022, 11:41 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No player in the history of the NFL has "happily" played on the tag.

But 99% of them play the regular season and do their best to look good so that they can get a better deal next offseason.

(07-15-2022, 03:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is all just posturing. Lots of players say the same thing, but they all end up playing. Bates might sit out training camp, but he will play in the regular season.

And as much as I like Dax Hill, we have no guarantee he will be any good.  At least not in his rookie season.  We are a legit Super Bowl contender this year.  We can't take that for granted. We need Jessie back there this year.  Even if we could work out a sign-and-trade there is no way I would do it for draft picks.  We need players NOW.

(07-17-2022, 01:03 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Their is this thing called insurance Bates should take out a policy if he is that concerned. This team could win a SB without him. unless we pull the tag. I'm not convinced he could get more on the open market going into next year on our last contract offer if he sits out the .season. Giving Bell that contract last time got Jets GM fired.

(07-17-2022, 03:18 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: It would be a savvy move by the front office if he holds out all of training camp and we just cut him 2 days before start of season lets see if he would get more guaranteed money than we offered call his agents bluff so to speak.

(07-17-2022, 08:08 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Absolutely, this is his big payday. Doubt he will ever get a better contract than this next one. Plus any single play could be his last. 

He earned it in the playoffs and deserves his money.  

(07-18-2022, 09:26 AM)bengaloo Wrote: Yeah I wouldn't show up to work for 13 million either lol. Boohoo its just not enough for my 3rd Bentley and my vacation home in the Keys.

Anyway, I cant see Bates not showing up at all, but he might hold out until the last minute. I dont like it though, not blaming it all on him, just think its very obvious he's no longer in the long term plans of the team and its time to let go and move forward on both sides. If I were Mike Brown I would release him now. Its best for both sides, imo. Why have a disgruntled player on the team, in the locker room every day? Bates didnt do well last year because money was in his mind. Not a good sign, imo.

(07-17-2022, 04:51 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Kirk cousins was way overpaid playing this game


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