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RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - impactplaya - 05-03-2023
A couple months ago Darren Waller was traded for a what a 4th or 5th RD pick to the Giants. Yet the Bengals
Had no interest in making that trade.
That tells me how much they really value the TE.
Not mention Sample is still here.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - THE PISTONS - 05-04-2023
Coach Taylor just admitted on the Bleav Bengals pod that the Bengals had Kincaid and LaPorta as their top two TEs
— Ace Boogie (@NewStripeCity) May 4, 2023
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Soonerpeace - 05-04-2023
(04-29-2023, 09:44 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: They hit on Hurst. They didn’t like their options in the draft each time they picked. They liked La Porta and Kincaid. They were not happy with several ‘s drop percentages as another poster pointed out.
(05-04-2023, 12:13 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote:Coach Taylor just admitted on the Bleav Bengals pod that the Bengals had Kincaid and LaPorta as their top two TEs
— Ace Boogie (@NewStripeCity) May 4, 2023
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bleav-in-bengals/id1585204338
Back on 4-29 and go to the 7:10 mark and listen to Zac’s effusive praise of Joe Mixon. LMAO at the pundits claiming coachspeak. Give me a freaking break.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - depthchart - 05-04-2023
(05-03-2023, 08:30 AM)impactplaya Wrote: A couple months ago Darren Waller was traded for a what a 4th or 5th RD pick to the Giants. Yet the Bengals.
Had no interest in making that trade.
That tells me how much they really value the TE.
Not mention Sample is still here.
The Bengals could also feel that one of the many Head Coaching and Offensive Coordinator changes could lead to the opportunity to acquire a waived Tight end or possibly trade for a TE that these New Coaches inherit on their Team's Roster that may not fit their New Systems or that the New Coaches don't have a history with.
Darren Waller was a Raider pre Josh McDaniels and appears to not be a Josh McDaniels guy.
The Bengals may have their eye on a few tight ends that they feel may be on the bubble with these New Coaches.
It does look like they are rolling with Irv Smith Jr but they must feel comfortable that they can successfully maneuver options should Irv keep showing injury problems during the 2023 season.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Soonerpeace - 05-04-2023
(05-03-2023, 08:30 AM)impactplaya Wrote: A couple months ago Darren Waller was traded for a what a 4th or 5th RD pick to the Giants. Yet the Bengals
Had no interest in making that trade.
That tells me how much they really value the TE.
Not mention Sample is still here.
Seriously? Walker would have cost 17 million a year? That’s his contract
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - depthchart - 05-04-2023
(05-03-2023, 08:30 AM)impactplaya Wrote: A couple months ago Darren Waller was traded for a what a 4th or 5th RD pick to the Giants. Yet the Bengals.
Had no interest in making that trade.
That tells me how much they really value the TE.
Not mention Sample is still here.
The 2021 Season both the Rams and Bengals made the Super Bowl (played in 2022) without getting Major production from one Tight End.
Tyler Higbee 560 regular season yards & CJ Uzomah 493 regular season yards during the 2021 season.
Zac Taylor is from the Rams & Shaun Mcvay's Coaching Tree and both have had success with good but not great tight end production.
While I am sure that both Coaches would love to have Great tight end production they may not consider it a must have to win with their Systems.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Essex Johnson - 05-04-2023
(04-29-2023, 09:44 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: They hit on Hurst. They didn’t like their options in the draft each time they picked. They liked La Porta and Kincaid. They were not happy with several ‘s drop percentages as another poster pointed out.
If hit is avg TE, yes but I don't think what we want is these 1 year signing of TEs especially with so much uncertainty at WR
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - TecmoBengals - 05-04-2023
(05-04-2023, 12:13 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote:Coach Taylor just admitted on the Bleav Bengals pod that the Bengals had Kincaid and LaPorta as their top two TEs
— Ace Boogie (@NewStripeCity) May 4, 2023
Ace Boogie is slightly dramatic with the "Taylor just admitted..." statement. I offer: "Taylor just acknowledged" their TE board. It means nothing. It wouldn't be any different if "Taylor just admitted the Bengals had Robinson and Gibbs as their top two RBs." It's Taylor stating the obvious: the Bengals ranked two talented TEs high on their board. We don't even know the Bengals framework for the rankings. The rankings might not have been purely talent based, but also tried to account for the targeted round to select a player (Kincaid = round 1 possible target & LaPorta = round 2 possible target).
It would have been a newsworthy tidbit if Zac said, "I admit we had Kincaid as the top TE and he was 100% the pick we wanted at #28."
/end old guy, get off my lawn babble about dumb tweets.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Soonerpeace - 05-04-2023
(05-04-2023, 02:45 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: If hit is avg TE, yes but I don't think what we want is these 1 year signing of TEs especially with so much uncertainty at WR
They wanted a TE but as many in the organization have said they didn’t come close to falling right and the organization stayed faithful to their plan of getting the highest players on their board and not reaching.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Nati#1 - 05-05-2023
Go get Marcedes Lewis
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Housh - 05-05-2023
(05-05-2023, 12:20 PM)Nati#1 Wrote: Go get Marcedes Lewis
I am actually surprised this isn’t done.
We needed a whole TE room coming into the off-season and we get Sample back and Irv. That’s a pass catcher, then Sample I’d say is more all around. But we play our blocking TE ALOT. I am utterly surprised we aren’t at least offering Lewis something. I guess we really really stick to our age limit.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Frank Booth - 05-05-2023
(05-05-2023, 02:48 PM)Housh Wrote: I am actually surprised this isn’t done.
We needed a whole TE room coming into the off-season and we get Sample back and Irv. That’s a pass catcher, then Sample I’d say is more all around. But we play our blocking TE ALOT. I am utterly surprised we aren’t at least offering Lewis something. I guess we really really stick to our age limit.
Sample is not an all around tight end. I’m questioning if you’ve ever seen him play...
He’s extremely 1 dimensional. Same with Mercedes Lewis. Both can only block. Very slow and lack ideal athleticism
I’d say Wilcox is more well rounded than those 2. Problem with Wilcox is that he has 2 left feet. He’s clumsy with the ball in his hands
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - t3r3e3 - 05-05-2023
(05-05-2023, 02:51 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Sample is not an all around tight end. I’m questioning if you’ve ever seen him play...
He’s extremely 1 dimensional. Same with Mercedes Lewis. Both can only block. Very slow and lack ideal athleticism
I’d say Wilcox is more well rounded than those 2. Problem with Wilcox is that he has 2 left feet. He’s clumsy with the ball in his hands
Dan Arnold would have been an interesting depth signing. Athletic, big target, good hands, has flashed a few times in limited opportunities. Eagles snatched him up.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Housh - 05-05-2023
(05-05-2023, 02:51 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Sample is not an all around tight end. I’m questioning if you’ve ever seen him play...
He’s extremely 1 dimensional. Same with Mercedes Lewis. Both can only block. Very slow and lack ideal athleticism
I’d say Wilcox is more well rounded than those 2. Problem with Wilcox is that he has 2 left feet. He’s clumsy with the ball in his hands
I was being nice
He’s a NFL TE so I’m not gonna say he’s trash.
I just wanted a nice way to say he’s not great at anything but also not pure shit at any one thing either
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 05-05-2023
(05-04-2023, 02:52 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Ace Boogie is slightly dramatic with the "Taylor just admitted..." statement. I offer: "Taylor just acknowledged" their TE board. It means nothing. It wouldn't be any different if "Taylor just admitted the Bengals had Robinson and Gibbs as their top two RBs." It's Taylor stating the obvious: the Bengals ranked two talented TEs high on their board. We don't even know the Bengals framework for the rankings. The rankings might not have been purely talent based, but also tried to account for the targeted round to select a player (Kincaid = round 1 possible target & LaPorta = round 2 possible target).
It would have been a newsworthy tidbit if Zac said, "I admit we had Kincaid as the top TE and he was 100% the pick we wanted at #28."
/end old guy, get off my lawn babble about dumb tweets.
No. What you are missing is that Mayer & Washington were not as highly regarded by the Bengals as by many fans. That is the upshot.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 - 05-05-2023
(05-05-2023, 02:48 PM)Housh Wrote: I am actually surprised this isn’t done.
We needed a whole TE room coming into the off-season and we get Sample back and Irv. That’s a pass catcher, then Sample I’d say is more all around. But we play our blocking TE ALOT. I am utterly surprised we aren’t at least offering Lewis something. I guess we really really stick to our age limit.
Could still happen. He and Wilcox are still out there.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Graphicguy - 05-06-2023
Bengals offense utilizes TE as an outlet receiver…not a focal point (like a Travis Kelce for example). They view them as “plug, play, replace”.
I think Zac maybe would have thought about drafting one of them, if they’d fallen to them in the draft. But, they didn’t. And, they certainly weren’t going to reach for one.
If they had viewed TE position differently, they would have resigned Uzoma or Hurst. They let both walk.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - Synric - 05-06-2023
(05-06-2023, 11:00 AM)Graphicguy Wrote: Bengals offense utilizes TE as an outlet receiver…not a focal point (like a Travis Kelce for example). They view them as “plug, play, replace”.
I think Zac maybe would have thought about drafting one of them, if they’d fallen to them in the draft. But, they didn’t. And, they certainly weren’t going to reach for one.
If they had viewed TE position differently, they would have resigned Uzoma or Hurst. They let both walk.
They don't want to have to change to continuity of their pass protection or run blocking every year like they have been. They've said they have been looking in the draft the last two years but the value just hasn't been there at their pick and are not gonna reach.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - CloeHokie - 05-09-2023
(05-02-2023, 10:07 PM)ah5 Wrote: Are people still crying about this... Who cares about TE, we will pick up another reject from fa and Burrow will make him 8 mil per next year. That is when irv smith goes down week 3.
Every other nfl team = who cares about tight end.
RE: Is Zac Really Happy With Irv Smith & Drew Sample - jj22 - 05-09-2023
Scouts weren't really as high on Mayer as some on this board was. I didn't think Zac mentioned the two by name, but those were my guesses when I saw the headlines that they liked 2 TE's.