(03-12-2016, 10:32 AM)Se ky bengal Wrote:  Thanks for the confirmation Jason. rep to you sir. I didn't want to get in a pissing match with anyone, but I wish they cut him and use that money to resign Reggie. I've never liked Dre. just my opinion,but he shouldn't be starting. Reggie getting up there in age and led the league in interceptions for most of the year. 
He still got 2-3 good years left and I may be wrong but I don't think Dre had 1last year and in fact I can just think or 5 or6 he has had in his 4 years and gets plenty pass interference especially on deep throws, cut him his7 million [maybe wrong on these numbers] would go a long ways in retaining an bringing someone in maybe a good center, Bodine just seems to be the weakness of the line. just my opinion. 

(03-12-2016, 03:07 AM)phil413 Wrote: Pacman's signing may directly affect negotiations with Dre, and it could be a win/win for both sides.  Dre's camp could have more leverage in their opinion but Cincy wouldn't franchise him or overpay him as some other teams may with the question marks they have in the short term at CB.  Now Cincy can play through the year and if Dennard is up to speed by the end of the year and looks like a starter then they may transition Dre and let him come back with the biggest ACTUAL offer to match or pass on.  I'll echo what others say that there should be one more corner at some point, and hopefully Dre brings his A game in his contract year.  The good news is he isn't handcuffing them.

(03-12-2016, 10:10 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It normally doesn't take 5 years. By normally, I mean for everyone who isn't a bust.

Jones looked bad then because he was out of the league for a year prior to that. He didn't play in 2009 or 2007. Anyone who is out of football for 2 of the last 3 years will be rusty.

There's a pretty big difference between not wanting the 9th worst CB in the league at $7.5m and demanding a perennial Pro Bowler. The fact that you think it can only be one extreme or the other is the truly hysterical part.

(03-12-2016, 11:01 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: See that's the thing.  Is the team hanging onto Dre for comfort and the ease of the 5th year option?

I know it would take some more effort to find a starting CB(whether be draft or FA)but it could be done. 

Shaw showed some promise internally.  Dennard... who knows?  Lewis said he's the best CB he's worked with.

That $7.5 mill could be used elsewhere.

Either resigning someone like Nelson(proven yet old) or even a LB like Laurinaitis to upgrade the corps.

I'm not trashing on DreK.  He's okay.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Yes he's a part of a very good defense but certainly replaceable.

The question is...  is he better than Hall or Nelson(or both)for the D? Could his play be replaced with a rook or a cheaper FA?

(12-13-2015, 09:17 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: So we've seen Dre K play as much as he ever has in the past.  

Do you guys think he's someone we should retain?

(03-12-2016, 04:36 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: My guess is that he will play better for that contract this year.

(03-13-2016, 02:17 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, this guy has been such a poster child for "THIS COULD BE THE YEAR!!!!" that he may as well play for the Chicago Cubs.

I think I bitterly joked 2 years ago that we JUST MIGHT know what we have in this guy before his rookie deal is up, and it looks like I may have been accurate with my cynicism.

(03-11-2016, 07:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 2nd in missed tackles among CB
11th in YAC allowed
3rd in penalties among all positions

PFF's (admittedly not an automatic truth, but interesting) 9th worst CB last year.

Thankfully Adam and Reggie were absolutely tearing it up last year.

(03-11-2016, 08:23 PM)jason Wrote: Your lying eyes aren't fooling you...  Dre is garbage.

(03-11-2016, 11:41 PM)Butchie Tiger Wrote: Dre is trash...gets beat way too often and is terrible at tackling !!

(03-13-2016, 10:57 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Once again you are clearly cherry picking just the random stats that make Dre look the worst.  Reminds me of your comical attempt to claim Marvin Jones wasone of the worst deep threats in the league based just on the lenghth of his longets reception.

When i want to judge a CB those are a few of the last numbers I would look at.  What was the QB passer rating for targets at Dre?  How many times was he targeted compared to our other CBs.  these are the imnplortant stats.  not just the 3 worst ones you could find.

first of all what was the QB passer rating

(03-13-2016, 02:17 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, this guy has been such a poster child for "THIS COULD BE THE YEAR!!!!" that he may as well play for the Chicago Cubs.

I think I bitterly joked 2 years ago that we JUST MIGHT know what we have in this guy before his rookie deal is up, and it looks like I may have been accurate with my cynicism.

(03-13-2016, 02:45 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: He can join Hunt, Porter, Moch, Ghee, Whalen, and Coffman in the "Hall of This Year". Lol

(03-11-2016, 03:04 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Yes Dre needs to stay hes was very good most of the year last year.

#1 corner on what was the #1 Scoring defense for much of the season.

Hes under contract for this season as we picked up his option...   So extenstion will probly be explored during camp

(03-12-2016, 10:10 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It normally doesn't take 5 years. By normally, I mean for everyone who isn't a bust.

Jones looked bad then because he was out of the league for a year prior to that. He didn't play in 2009 or 2007. Anyone who is out of football for 2 of the last 3 years will be rusty.

There's a pretty big difference between not wanting the 9th worst CB in the league at $7.5m and demanding a perennial Pro Bowler. The fact that you think it can only be one extreme or the other is the truly hysterical part.

(03-13-2016, 11:27 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: What I also know is that Dre was the 2nd highest targeted CB in the NFL at 112 targets. The only person targeted more was Marcus Peters, and that was because he was a starting rookie CB, but at least he turned all those targets into a good season by tying for the INT lead (Dre had 0) and becoming a Pro Bowler and 2nd Team All-Pro in his first year in the NFL. He was the 18th overall pick, awfully close to Dre's disappointing 17th overall spot.

No matter how you spin it, Kirkpatrick is a bust and just not very good.

(03-13-2016, 01:34 PM)Synric Wrote: Nobody has mentioned how much he improved in the second half of the season.

(03-13-2016, 10:59 AM)fredtoast Wrote: None of this is true at all.

if dre was garbage then opposing QBs woiuld have targeted him all the time and gotten a lot of long completions and tds.  Or else they would have just marched down the field with a string of completions to the guy Dre wascovering.  This just did not happen.

(12-14-2015, 12:03 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: He seems to struggle with the smaller quicker wr's. I'd like to see him get more Int's. At his current level of play, I wouldn't make him a priority to re-sign.

(03-13-2016, 10:57 AM)fredtoast Wrote: When i want to judge a CB those are a few of the last numbers I would look at.  What was the QB passer rating for targets at Dre?  How many times was he targeted compared to our other CBs.  these are the imnplortant stats.  not just the 3 worst ones you could find.

(03-13-2016, 02:02 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: How is that significant to his performance?

Having said that, I don't see how targets is a significant metric of performance.

(03-14-2016, 02:34 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I never said it was significant to his performance, JFK, period.

Fred was the one crying about wanting to know targets. I already said some of the things I thought was imporant. Penalties, missed tackles, yards after the catch allowed. He wanted targets, so I gave him targets.

If you want to enter the conversation, you need to actually read the conversation. Otherwise you just came in and looked at one post without reading the post it was quoted to, and drawing your own wrong conclusions. If you want to talk about how targets aren't important for his evaluation, quote Fred instead, not me.