(08-24-2024, 12:40 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Carman was the worst pick of the Zac Taylor era by far. Especially when you factor in the trade back that resulted in absolutely nothing (Tyler Shelvin & D’Ante Smith), and who was actually still on the board at the time (Creed Humphrey & Sam Cosmi).

Just brutal. Glad to finally be done with it.

(08-24-2024, 12:40 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Carman was the worst pick of the Zac Taylor era by far. Especially when you factor in the trade back that resulted in absolutely nothing (Tyler Shelvin & D’Ante Smith), and who was actually still on the board at the time (Creed Humphrey & Sam Cosmi).

Just brutal. Glad to finally be done with it.

(08-25-2024, 09:32 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Zac wasn’t the one picking him.I’m sure he had a say. But most think that’s who Mike Brown wanted

(08-25-2024, 09:32 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Zac wasn’t the one picking him.I’m sure he had a say. But most think that’s who Mike Brown wanted

(08-25-2024, 09:57 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it wasn't Mike Browns call. While I think he's probably still involved in contracts. I'll take his word for it that he has stepped back and tries to stay out of the coaches ways. Atleast I hope so. I wonder if we didn't put a little too much stock in what an outsider said about Carman like a Paul Alexander perhaps. Hopefully we've changed up our drafting profile of Offensive lineman as high athletic scores seems to really translate into career success.

(08-25-2024, 11:08 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Ive heard from multiple sources, one being a player, that it absolutely was Mike Brown's call and was an issue of contention amongst many in the building.

(08-25-2024, 11:08 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Ive heard from multiple sources, one being a player, that it absolutely was Mike Brown's call and was an issue of contention amongst many in the building.

(08-25-2024, 11:08 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Ive heard from multiple sources, one being a player, that it absolutely was Mike Brown's call and was an issue of contention amongst many in the building.

(08-25-2024, 11:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Honestly, I do not buy that. This team has done so many things in the past 5 seasons un Mike like that I doubt that he would randomly involve himself in the draft. I believe he hasn't been involved in personal since 2010 and Duke took over the drafts.

I think what happened is they were spooked by the Ghost of Billy Price and avoided drafting Creed Humphrey. People forget but before Price tore is shoulder at the  combine he was projected to be a top 15 pick.  

(08-25-2024, 11:21 PM)J24 Wrote: Honestly, I do not buy that. This team has done so many things in the past 5 seasons un Mike like that I doubt that he would randomly involve himself in the draft. I believe he hasn't been involved in personal since 2010 and Duke took over the drafts.

I think what happened is they were spooked by the Ghost of Billy Price and avoided drafting Creed Humphrey. People forget but before Price tore is shoulder at the  combine he was projected to be a top 15 pick.  

(08-25-2024, 11:39 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Casear knows what he’s talking about.

(08-25-2024, 11:53 PM)J24 Wrote: Not saying he doesn't!

(08-25-2024, 11:59 PM)casear2727 Wrote: My contact in the building and the players seemingly know what they are talking about.  But you have every right to not believe it.  I dont think any of us want to......


I will say they are not "scared off" of any pick due to a previous player at that position.   Look at John Ross then Chase.

(08-26-2024, 12:37 AM)J24 Wrote: Chase was much bigger than Ross,  had one of the greatest college seasons ever, and already had an established relationship with Joe. I don't really think it was the same thing.

I don't doubt that you heard what you heard. I just think it's weird that when anything goes wrong it's Mike  Brown's fault and when it goes right it's none of his. It's just a convenient excuse when the FO messes up. 


The fact is the  Bengals have been burn by smaller Centers with a lack of arm Length dating back to Bodine.  

(08-25-2024, 09:32 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Zac wasn’t the one picking him.I’m sure he had a say. But most think that’s who Mike Brown wanted

(08-26-2024, 06:05 AM)schroomytunes Wrote: Ok here's my attempt:

Offense:

QB- (2) Burrow, Browning

RB- (4) Moss, Brown, T.Williams, Sample FB/HB

WR- (6) Chase, Higgins, Iosivias, Burton, Irwin, Jones

TE- (4) Gisicki, All, Hudson, Mclachlan

OT- (4) O.Brown, Mims, T.Brown, Kirkland G/T

G- (3) Cappa, Volson, Ford G/T

C- (2) Karras, Lee

25 offense


Defense:

DE- (5) Hendrickson, Hubbard, Ossai, Murphy, Johnson

DT- (5) Rankins, Hill, Jenkins, Carter, Tufele/Mckinley (IR)

LB- (4) Wilson, Pratt, ADG, Bachie,

CB- (6) CTB, Hill, Turner, Hilton, Newton, Davis/ Ivey(IR)

S- (5) Bell, Stone, Battle, Anderson, Anthony (ST player hybrid role) I think Simmons gets this guy for the new kickoff rule.

Defense 25

Special Teams:

K- MMAC
LS- Adomitis
P- Robbins

TE and RB is the only area that I could see us making an addition via cuts. McLachlan/Hudson could be gone to PS. I do see us a little weak on the Dline, maybe someone becomes available.

(08-25-2024, 11:39 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I was just looking up what Prices RAS score was but he looks like he didn't test because of the shoulder probably. But I stumbled on an article about teams drafting of players and they're average RAS scores in different positions. It said in the article that Duke Tobin was given more control and became the defacto GM in 2016. It said we've drafted 10 OLineman since 2017 with an average RAS score of 5.5 out of 10. Only 2 scored more than 6.6. Now obviously that changed this year with Mims and Lee but still pretty head scratching and curious as to what they're approach is to drafting that particular position. 

(08-25-2024, 11:39 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I was just looking up what Prices RAS score was but he looks like he didn't test because of the shoulder probably. But I stumbled on an article about teams drafting of players and they're average RAS scores in different positions. It said in the article that Duke Tobin was given more control and became the defacto GM in 2016. It said we've drafted 10 OLineman since 2017 with an average RAS score of 5.5 out of 10. Only 2 scored more than 6.6. Now obviously that changed this year with Mims and Lee but still pretty head scratching and curious as to what they're approach is to drafting that particular position.