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RE: Burrow; Welcome to the Hot Seat - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-17-2025

Dude loves the pressure. That is why he is always in Shotgun and never clamoring for a great OL lol

But I voted no, he isn't the one who is going to be fired if we don't win it all, that is Zac especially if we start out 0-3 again.


RE: They're Done!!! Our long wait is over - TJHoushmandzadeh's Shiny Shoes - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 12:54 PM)phil413 Wrote: I would liken this to a Riley Rieff type bridge vet that with a 2 year deal with some guaranteed money in the 2nd year.  Like Rieff they were willing to have some dead money in case of injury but had to have it to sign him.  High end you'd land Scherff if he fits the scheme well enough, or even a Lucas Parrick.  You need a capable starter in place even for a year, the other guard spot can be for competition....not both. 

IIRC Scherff was a teammate of Reiff at Iowa and when Reiff went to the NFL replaced him as LT. Reiff then played under Scott Peters at the Patriots so hopefully Scherff’s former College teammate can give a positive reference for both franchise and coach.


RE: They're Done!!! Our long wait is over - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 03:01 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: IIRC Scherff was a teammate of Reiff at Iowa and when Reiff went to the NFL replaced him as LT. Reiff then played under Scott Peters at the Patriots so hopefully Scherff’s former College teammate can give a positive reference for both franchise and coach.

Hmm, interesting tidbits there TJ. Cool


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - 007BengalsFan - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 12:46 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Well offense gonna have to score a lot...

They wanted to be paid at the top, they need to produce at the top.  No excuses for the offense this year.  This season is on their shoulders.  No more 10 point games like the Patriots.  You want to beat the Eagles?  You have to score more than 17 and not turn the ball over.  Bengals defense holds Kansas City to 20 points?  The Bengals offense should be able to win that game.  The Bengals offense cant give other teams points when the defense is holding one of the best teams in the NFL to 20.  You go to overtime against the Ravens and your defense gets your offense has the ball?  The offense needs to score instead of relying on the defense to stop the Ravens twice in overtime.  You are playing the Chargers and the game is tied 27-27 in the 4th quarter.  The offense cant lay a big goose egg on the last 3 possessions in the 4th.  That is crunch time when your offense needs to step up but yet you score zero points on your last 3 possessions in the 4th?  You need to do better than that.  The guys on offense are being paid elite money at the very top.  The offense needs to play like it.  No excuses for the offense this year.  This season is on their shoulders.


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 03:10 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: They wanted to be paid at the top, they need to produce at the top.  No excuses for the offense this year.  This season is on their shoulders.  No more 10 point games like the Patriots.  You want to beat the Eagles?  You have to score more than 17 and not turn the ball over.  Bengals defense holds Kansas City to 20 points?  The Bengals offense should be able to win that game.  The Bengals offense cant give other teams points when the defense is holding one of the best team in the NFL to 20.  You go to overtime against the Ravens and your defense gets your offense has the ball?  The offense needs to score instead of relying on the defense to stop the Ravens twice in overtime.  You are playing the Chargers and the game is tied 27-27 in the 4th quarter.  The offense cant lay a big goose egg on the last 3 possessions in the 4th.  That is crunch time when your offense needs to step up but yet you score zero points on your last 3 possessions in the 4th?  You need to do better than that.  The guys on offense are being paid elite money at the very top.  The offense needs to play like it.  No excuses for the offense this year.  This season is on their shoulders.

I agree in those instances for the most part. But the Defense will need to do it's part as well to not let us lose games where the Offense 
scores 38+ points. I think both could happen this year as long as we upgrade the trenches and have a good Draft and the new coaches 
are upgrades.


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - CJD - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 10:32 AM)NotBigzo Wrote: The fact that you had to go that far back for an example of a nailed defender in the draft….


Im dead


I believe in drafting. I don’t believe in the Bengals drafting.

A team that can't draft will never compete for a Super Bowl. You need the cheap rookie contracts to off set the high priced veterans. You can't build a competent team through free agency alone.

If you don't believe in Bengals drafting, then the dream is dead regardless. So why does it matter?


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - Nicomo Cosca - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 03:15 PM)CJD Wrote: A team that can't draft will never compete for a Super Bowl. You need the cheap rookie contracts to off set the high priced veterans. You can't build a competent team through free agency alone.

If you don't believe in Bengals drafting, then the dream is dead regardless. So why does it matter?

Bingo.

Jessie Bates was our best player during the SB run. Logan Wilson could have easily been the MVP had they pulled that game out. Hubbard was nothing but clutch in the playoffs both years.


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - rfaulk34 - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 01:33 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think they won't go DT.

But, we need 1 Guard atleast and that's relying on Volson as the other Guard.

A starting DE.

A slot CB to replace Hilton and that's relying on Hill and CTB to start at CB without an upgrade.

A starting safety to replace Vonn Bell. And that's starting Stone.

Counting on the LB we signed from the Eagles to start.

And counting on Pratt to start and be productive. Pratt and Wilson both appeared to lose a step last year.

And counting on drafted guys like Murphy and Ossai to produce.

My goodness dude...

I agree on DT. They have the 2 youngsters, Hill and Slaton right now. So if they go DT in the draft, it's not going to be till later now. 

1 FA guard would be good on top of drafting one in the top 2 rounds this year. Kirkland and Ford are most likely the projected starters right now.

They have Ossai and Murphy at LDE. Trey should be here, barring some miraculous trade proposal that i don't see coming. Prob later round DE because safety and guard are more important now.

Slot CB will be Dax Hill. 

As i said, they should be looking at safety in rd 1, if not 2. Depends on which G and S are there. 

LB...they have Pratt, Wilson and the new guy. I don't know if that's much of a priority now, considering other positions of need. 

I can't really see how things are really dire right now with what is still out there and who is available in the draft + guys coming back from injury. 


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - higgy100 - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 12:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We also played really weak teams late in the year.

Murphy had 0 sacks. Correlating him playing to the defense being better doesn't pass the test.

Denver weak? Pittsburgh? It was the same Pittsburgh team that put 44 on them just a few weeks earlier. Look, it's the same D we saw either give up big yards, lots of points or couldn't get opponents off the field for the better part of 2 seasons and there were plenty of weak teams that did one of those three I described.

Bottom line is you play who you play and they got significantly better as they got younger the last handful of games.


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - NotBigzo - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 02:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Geno was just an example of a HOF type player the Bengals have drafted. They drafted Jesse Bates and many other good defensive players
as well. To act like it is impossible for them to draft good players is just ignorant and shows you are pretty much dead, brain dead that is.

Who have they drafted recently that makes my take “brain dead”?


RE: They're Done!!! Our long wait is over - BengalsBong - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 11:20 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The thing with the draft is, we'll be lucky to get 1 guy capable of starting Day 1. And 2 quality starters out of the entire draft over their careers.

It's not like every guy will be playing.

You need special teamers in drafts and depth.

It is hard to say what Golden's vision is could go a few different ways.

Once the Guard issue is fixed, I don't see a lot of holes on D.

Does Golden want a shutdown corner. Is the DB group good enough for now.

Is Geno good enough or do we need a safety.

If we play 3 LB and Pratt is gone, do we need 2 LB in this draft.

Do we need a pass rusher at LDE or is that MM job.


RE: Burrow; Welcome to the Hot Seat - ochocincos - 03-17-2025

Burrow won't be on the hot seat, just like every high-costing QB is never on the hot seat for why the team struggles to get back to the dance after they get a big contract.

It's the coaches/FO who have to figure out how to fill the rest of the roster with a good team despite the high contracts for a few.

If anything, this will (or should) put a microscope on the coaching staff and/or FO for hitting (or not hitting) on draft picks.


RE: They're Done!!! Our long wait is over - TJHoushmandzadeh's Shiny Shoes - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 04:07 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: It is hard to say what Golden's vision is could go a few different ways.

Once the Guard issue is fixed, I don't see a lot of holes on D.

Does Golden want a shutdown corner. Is the DB group good enough for now.

Is Geno good enough or do we need a safety.

If we play 3 LB and Pratt is gone, do we need 2 LB in this draft.

Do we need a pass rusher at LDE or is that MM job.

Interior pass rush is probably the biggest deficiency on the roster right now - worse than Cody Ford and Cordell Volson at guard bad.


RE: $125 million for 3 Players - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 03:52 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: Who have they drafted recently that makes my take “brain dead”?

Jordan Battle looked pretty damn good his rookie season, then Lou benched him for Bell who sucked. CTB even looked good his rookie season
and DJ Turner started looking good late last season before he got injured. Bottom line we have new Defensive coaches and we don't know how 
much input Lou had in picking these players or how much he could or couldn't coach them up.

This new Defensive staff could very well hit on some picks if they have any say. It is pretty brain dead to remain a fan of a team if you have no 
faith in them in the future which is pretty much what you said.


RE: Happy Tampering Day - SunsetBengal - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 02:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This FA year been very lackluster.

Extending current guys is great, but keeping them just helps keep from getting worse.

About the only upgrade is Slaton, but that's only for run defense.

I don't see this team currently being better than a 11-win team.
That would get to the playoffs, but I don't have confidence in getting back to the AFCCG or Super Bowl, which should be the goal.

Yes, this has been a very pensive free agency season for the Bengals, especially with the WR extensions getting all the attention. I'd still like to see the team add a few pieces before depending on the draft as the only source of new talent. For example, there are a couple of inexpensive moves that they could make to improve the quality of the OL and the secondary in adding Brandon Scherff and Stephon Gilmore. I get that their both old, but they both also can still play a lot of snaps if needed to, along as offer some wisdom and guidance to younger players.


RE: They're Done!!! Our long wait is over - Timanky12 - 03-17-2025

So the offensive weapons are the same, no change to the O line yet, still need a D pass rush, LB’ s who can cover and corners you can cover. So how are we any better than last year?

Defense wins super bowls and offense is eye candy. When are we going to learn, you can’t out score very one to win.


RE: Burrow; Welcome to the Hot Seat - BengalsBong - 03-17-2025

The only hot seat I see is under Zac if we miss the playoffs 3 years in a row that is a big issue.


RE: Burrow; Welcome to the Hot Seat - rfaulk34 - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 01:25 PM)jj22 Wrote: Celebrating Burrow (and Chase and Tee) placing pressure on the FO in unprecedented ways to stay together means that any collapse of this plan fall solely on him. This is his vision of team building and thus any failure must fall squarely at his feet.

All is great as long as the plan works. If it doesn't. The "I told you so" card is in the hands of the FO. How will fans react?

Question?

Does that put pressure on Burrow?

Every new season, regardless of circumstances, puts every QB on the hot seat. 

/thread, cause all the rest is manufactured bs. 


RE: They're Done!!! Our long wait is over - BengalsBong - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 04:26 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: Interior pass rush is probably the biggest deficiency on the roster right now - worse than Cody Ford and Cordell Volson at guard bad.

We got 8 D-lineman with 4 starters If you give LDE to MM. 

Stopping the run is a bigger issue in the AFC North then interior pass rush.

Could we use it yeah, but do we need it over a shutdown corner or a LB to replace Pratt or a safety to replace Geno.

It is far from the top of my list of issues that need fixed.

It all depends on Golden and what he thinks are the needs.


RE: They're Done!!! Our long wait is over - Nicomo Cosca - 03-17-2025

(03-17-2025, 04:35 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: So the offensive weapons are the same, no change to the O line yet, still need a D pass rush, LB’ s who can cover and corners you can cover. So how are we any better than last year?

Defense wins super bowls and offense is eye candy. When are we going to learn, you can’t out score very one to win.

There’s still some truth to the first part of the bold (albeit it’s a bit of a boomer-ish take at this point), but the other half is just pure nonsense. QB’s and WR’s are paid what they are due to their impact on the game, not to solely be “eye candy.”

It. Takes. Both.