(11-08-2019, 10:42 AM)jj22 Wrote: If we are giving Palmer credit for leading his team to the playoffs 2 out of 8 years, why are we taking shots at the qb who led the team to the playoffs 5 out of 9?

Which QB would you guys choose.
A. The one who led a far better veteran team to the playoffs 2/8 years.
B. The one that led their team to the playoffs 5/9 years.

(11-08-2019, 10:53 AM)fredtoast Wrote:
The best way to increase your odds of pickinga great player is to have more picks.

I am not suggesting we trade out of the first round.  It just seems that top 5 picks are over valued.

(11-08-2019, 11:11 AM)Pat5775 Wrote: Ok, settle down.

Dalton had way more complete teams and better coordinators around him than Carson ever did in Cincy. We can only imagine how things would have been in Cincy if Carson stayed and Dalton was never drafted. Personally, I think things would have been better. Especially given what Carson did in Arizona. Carson never got to throw to AJ Green, either.

(11-08-2019, 11:01 AM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I do really loathe those seasons. Filled with so much promise five years straight only to come to a train wreck at the end of season. Then having to suffer four years in a row because some people can't seem to let go of those "GLORY DAYS".

(11-08-2019, 10:42 AM)jj22 Wrote: If we are giving Palmer credit for leading his team to the playoffs 2 out of 8 years, why are we taking shots at the qb who led the team to the playoffs 5 out of 9?

Which QB would you guys choose.
A. The one who led a far better veteran team to the playoffs 2/8 years.
B. The one that led their team to the playoffs 5/9 years.

(11-08-2019, 11:37 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I would take Palmer any day over Dalton.

Funny that it’s always the whole team’s fault for no playoff wins, but apparently it was all Dalton that got them there every time...

Should we get into who had the better coaches next?

(11-08-2019, 11:23 AM)jj22 Wrote: Really? When did Dalton have a run game or running attack better than Rudi/Perry?

What wide receiver trio was better than Ocho, Housh, Henry etc?

The Oline? When did he have a better center/RT/LT combo?

When did he have a rookie OC from the arena league?

Defense. Let's talk Defense.

When did Dalton have probowl corners with 10+ interceptions?

When has the DLine rotation been better than the Fanene/Rucker rotation that spearheaded those top 10 runs?

Lb's. Do we really want to go there outside of Burfict?

The Palmer era had far more established talent and free agent signings. Indisputable. But if you choosing A then just say so. Be proud of it. Own it.

Dalton had 3 bad seasons in 9 years not including last year when they were on fire on offense and 5-3 before injuries hit.

You aren't going to find a 9 year vet with that record in free agency very often. And with only 3 other teams (maybe 4) with better runs in the league, you won't find many other fanbase turning their nose up to it either.

(11-08-2019, 11:41 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You can’t be serious with that one? Who did Palmer have at OC that was better than Jay or Hue?

(11-08-2019, 11:40 AM)jj22 Wrote: Sure. Who had the rookie OC from the arena league?

How many top 10 Offenses did Gruden have under his belt?

How many did Brat have?

Anderson, still the greatest RB coach we've had and our run game hasn't been the same sense.

The Piano man? Well even his Olines are looking pretty good now.

All other coaches on Offense were pretty much retained.

(11-08-2019, 11:43 AM)jj22 Wrote: Hmm I don't know. You want to compare the number of top 10 offenses that Brat had in his career to Jay's or Hue (1 good year as OC) playcalling record? I'm not quite sure you do.

(11-08-2019, 11:45 AM)jj22 Wrote: I'm not trying to be rude, but you might want to check Brat's record.

Sure he ran his course here towards the end there, but again, before you put your foot down, you may want to look.

Here's a hint. He's had more consistent top offenses in the league then Jay or Hue has ever had.

(11-08-2019, 11:48 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Was Hue or Jay fired? Oh that’s right they both landed HC jobs...

(11-08-2019, 11:49 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Because he had a better QB and WRs like Chad and TJ.

(11-08-2019, 11:49 AM)jj22 Wrote: Hold on, let me grab my binoculars to see where the goal post is now.

(11-08-2019, 11:52 AM)jj22 Wrote: Ok well you are slowly awakening. Keep on coming to the light.

So you agree, the talent was better during that 2/7 playoff run?

And a lesser quality QB was able to go on a 5/9 run with less.

So isn't that props to Dalton? Such a pitiful QB shouldn't have sniffed that record playoff run.

(11-08-2019, 11:59 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Andy Dalton is now a backup QB for an 0-8 team. And it’s KILLING some you guys lol

(11-08-2019, 11:56 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Palmer’s teams were NOT more talented. Nobody and I mean NOBODY was talking about those teams having one of the deepest rosters like they did the 13-15 teams.