(08-26-2022, 04:42 PM)PhilHos Wrote: How many of those were legitimate attempts to pick up the first down vs little screen passes or dump offs?


Here's the play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0kWUZ6PLvQ

Please show us where the luck was because it sure looks to me like Burrow made a great throw and Chase made a great catch.

And since it looks, to most of us, like a great play from a QB to a WR and not the result of a busted play or broken coverage, I can only surmise by your continued attempts to label this play as "lucky" that you don't think Burrow is a good enough QB to make that throw and the Chase is not a good enough WR to make that catch. 

Related question for you: when Justin Tucker set the record for longest FG in NFL history, you considered that lucky correct? After all, it's never been done before in NFL history and as this post of yours indicates, if it's rarely been done, that makes it lucky. 

(08-26-2022, 04:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Yep, that 3rd and 27 conversion was a great pre-snap read, great call, great pass and great catch. To call it 'luck' is to purposely discount all of that for some strange reason.

(08-26-2022, 04:34 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: You've had some extremely strange takes in this thread...especially considering you're always accusing other posters of 'creating' things to be negative about. You've spent this entire thread trying to discredit what the Bengals accomplished last year, with some of the worst arguments I've ever seen in Jungle Noise...which is saying something. 

(08-26-2022, 04:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Yep, that 3rd and 27 conversion was a great pre-snap read, great call, great pass and great catch. To call it 'luck' is to purposely discount all of that for some strange reason.

(08-26-2022, 04:50 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Seriously. Like, argue that our playoff run was fueled by last minute plays as lucky, ok. I don't agree but there's some logic there. Arguing that a 3rd and 27 conversion that was literally a great play by 2 of our greatest players as lucky is just absurd to me.

fredtoast Wrote:But, yeah, luck has nothing to do with it at all.

(08-26-2022, 04:50 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Seriously. Like, argue that our playoff run was fueled by last minute plays as lucky, ok. I don't agree but there's some logic there. Arguing that a 3rd and 27 conversion that was literally a great play by 2 of our greatest players as lucky is just absurd to me.

(08-26-2022, 04:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Yep, that 3rd and 27 conversion was a great pre-snap read, great call, great pass and great catch. To call it 'luck' is to purposely discount all of that for some strange reason.

(08-26-2022, 04:50 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Seriously. Like, argue that our playoff run was fueled by last minute plays as lucky, ok. I don't agree but there's some logic there. Arguing that a 3rd and 27 conversion that was literally a great play by 2 of our greatest players as lucky is just absurd to me.

(08-26-2022, 04:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: As for last season, all I am doing is pointing out that if any other team had done what the Bengals did last year you all would be saying "They just got hot at the end of the season, and they just won by the skin of their teeth.  They have sucked for years. I need to see more consistency before I will consider them an elite team." 

(08-26-2022, 04:05 PM)fredtoast Wrote: In 2021 Joe Burrow was the first QB to convert on a 3rd and 25+ since 2017.  137 pass attempts by the greatest QBs in the game over the last 4 years and only one first down conversion.

But, yeah, luck has nothing to do with it at all. 

And since we have the same coaches and BETTER talent this year, I am looking forward to the Bengal taking advantage of that unusual ability to convert on 3rd-and-25+.

(08-26-2022, 05:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is the last I am going to mention it, but if it all just talent and coaching we should be doing it every time this year.

So I guess we will see who was right.

(08-26-2022, 05:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is the last I am going to mention it, but if it all just talent and coaching we should be doing it every time this year.

(08-26-2022, 05:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is the last I am going to mention it, but if it all just talent and coaching we should be doing it every time this year.

So I guess we will see who was right.

(08-26-2022, 05:11 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: You do realize that there are many factors at play in a 3rd and extremely long that play in the defenses favor. It requires perfect execution to convert in that kind of situation, or a something crazy like a defender falling down and leaving a wide open receiver.

Why is it so hard for you to admit the obvious...that is was a great pass and catch in that particular situation that resulted in a critical conversion? It's not going to go that way every time, but in that instance, it was perfect execution.

(08-26-2022, 05:13 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Why? Do we not play against other teams? Do we not play against other teams that also have talent and coaching?

So by your logic, every record breaking play, every big play is the result of luck. Because otherwise, they'd happen all the time, right?

Again, I ask, where on that play was the luck? 

(08-26-2022, 04:57 PM)Bengalholic Wrote:  Was Donald's game ending play a fluke or luck? No, it was a great play that saved the game for the Rams. That's how football works and what a certain poster in this thread is failing to comprehend or is just outright ignoring. 

(08-26-2022, 05:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Stop with your silliness. Justin Tucker made a 66 yard field goal once, which means he will do it every single time now. 

(08-26-2022, 05:18 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Wrong! He was lucky! No one has ever hit one from 66 yards during a game before, ergo, he was lucky to make it! Leg strength and accuracy, taking the wind into consideration; NONE of those made a difference. It was all pure luck!

(08-26-2022, 05:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Aaron Donald has been making that same play consistently for years.  So, no, it did not look like a fluke when he made that play.  But none of the best QBs in the league have converted a 3rd-and-25+ in the last 4 years before Burrow did it.

(08-26-2022, 05:24 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: So...if no one had ever done it...it should have been impossible!! 

(08-26-2022, 04:42 PM)PhilHos Wrote: How many of those were legitimate attempts to pick up the first down vs little screen passes or dump offs?


Here's the play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0kWUZ6PLvQ

Please show us where the luck was because it sure looks to me like Burrow made a great throw and Chase made a great catch.

And since it looks, to most of us, like a great play from a QB to a WR and not the result of a busted play or broken coverage, I can only surmise by your continued attempts to label this play as "lucky" that you don't think Burrow is a good enough QB to make that throw and the Chase is not a good enough WR to make that catch. 

Related question for you: when Justin Tucker set the record for longest FG in NFL history, you considered that lucky correct? After all, it's never been done before in NFL history and as this post of yours indicates, if it's rarely been done, that makes it lucky.