(09-30-2022, 08:51 AM)Nepa Wrote: Sounds like the NFLPA is really ticked off about how Tua was handled after the Sunday incident:

"NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith texted to Andrew Whitworth (a former NFLPA player rep) and Richard Sherman (a member of the NFLPA executive committee) the following message: “We insisted on these rules to avoid exactly this scenario. We will pursue every legal option, including making referrals against the doctors to licensing agencies and the team that is obligated to keep our players safe.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/demaurice-smith-vows-pursue-every-035615128.html

Mike Florio went on to say:

"Here’s the issue, as I explained it both on Football Night in America and throughout the week, on PFT Live and in this outlet. If a player shows 'gross motor instability,' he may continue only if the team physician and the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant conclude that the instability was not neurologically caused.

I posed to the league — twice — on Sunday a very simple question. How did the team physician and the UNC conclude that the gross motor instability exhibited by Tua was not neurological? Did they take Tua’s word for it that it was a back injury? Did they carefully study the know-it-when-you-see-it video that the wobbling and wooziness was not the result of a head injury?"

(09-30-2022, 08:55 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Why is it not being mentioned that neck and back injuries are also neurological? Personally, I think he had a concussion last week, but even if it was his neck/back, he was messed up.

(09-30-2022, 09:04 AM)pally Wrote: Neck and back MUSCLE injuries are not neurological.

Quote:What is spinal concussion? Spinal cord concussion is a variant of mild spinal cord injury, clinically designated as transient paraplegia or neurapraxia, and characterized by variable degrees of sensory impairment and motor weakness that typically resolve within 24–72 hours without permanent deficits (Del Bigio and Johnson, 1989; Zwimpfer and Bernstein, 1990; Torg et al., 1997). Accordingly, a grading system was developed based on the duration of symptoms, ranging from Grade I (< 15 minutes) to Grade III (> 24 hours) (Zwimpfer and Bernstein, 1990; Torg et al., 1997). Spinal cord concussion is predominantly a sport-related injury occurring in a wide variety of contact sports in adult and pediatric athletes including wrestling, hockey, gymnastics, and diving, but most commonly in American football,

(09-30-2022, 08:55 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Why is it not being mentioned that neck and back injuries are also neurological? Personally, I think he had a concussion last week, but even if it was his neck/back, he was messed up.

(09-30-2022, 09:08 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Neck and back Spinal injuries are.....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4774225/

Looks to me like his symptoms last week were classic Grade 1 

(09-30-2022, 09:29 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The grading systems have pretty much been abandoned.

(09-30-2022, 11:35 AM)Garrus Wrote: Oh wow Fred got banned, what happened?

(09-30-2022, 11:45 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: It happens every so often. It isn't a permaban, he'll be back in a week or so. 

(09-29-2022, 08:32 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I wouldn't even need the doctor or independent consultant to tell me that Tua had a concussion there.

Anyone with a quarter of a brain would realize that Tua was feeling the effects of the hit and probably wasn't even sure where he was.

I'm surprised they're letting him play on this short week but one hit and slam to the ground and I think he's done. 

(09-30-2022, 12:56 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yeah, that was getting a little annoying.

(09-30-2022, 01:23 PM)michaelsean Wrote: They act like this guy rolled in town and took a 4-13 team to a 3-0 start.  Didn't they win like 8 of their last 9 or something last year?

(09-30-2022, 05:20 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: I still feel like he didn't even take that bad of a hit and it makes me wonder even more if he was already suffering concussion symptoms leading to him getting knocked the hell out so easily. I mean it was a good smack on the ground but I've seen guys get up from significantly worse.

Sad thing is Teddy Bridgewater is a very qualified and experienced backup. To be honest I bet they are more dangerous on the deep ball with him. Short week, hurricane BS coming through. Let your veteran backup play the game and let Tua get some rest. Even if it was back and ankle injuries he still could have and probably should have needed the rest.

Won't lie though if there was something being hidden it feels like Tua was in on it and wanting to play through it himself. He's going to have to learn to be extremely careful if/when he returns as you do not need to be taking unnecessary chances with brain injuries. I feel like we just watched his career drastically become shortened after tonight.

(09-30-2022, 07:30 AM)dr tarzan Wrote: I concur.   As most folks who follow contact sports know, the concussions are a cumulative injury.   Each successive one requires less of an impact, recalling Moose Johnston.... his last one was a routine tackle where he didn't even  have a head impact. 
When they are so severe that it involves the kind of posturing Tua did after this last one, it is going to have lasting effect.   Like you said, we see many such impacts that guys pop up and run to the huddle, his brain is going to be mush after the next one.    I would not be surprised to see season ending IR for him.

Last weeks "back and ankle" injury was total bullshit.    It doesn't take a trained eye to see when someone is staggering from a neurologic condition versus an orthopedic one.  OK,  maybe sometimes it does.  But Mine is, anyway, and that was no orthopedic stagger.    Tua and the Dolphins medical and coaching staff ignored their own instincts and placed this too dedicated player's career and possibly, life, at risk.  If some heads don't roll on this one, someone just isn't looking for malfeasance or malpractice hard enough.

(09-30-2022, 07:33 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Same. We need a new “What they got banned for” forum. Holic  could even charge $1.00 a view.

(09-30-2022, 08:02 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Dang it, missed it again. Someone PM me what happened....

(09-30-2022, 05:20 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: I still feel like he didn't even take that bad of a hit and it makes me wonder even more if he was already suffering concussion symptoms leading to him getting knocked the hell out so easily. I mean it was a good smack on the ground but I've seen guys get up from significantly worse.

Sad thing is Teddy Bridgewater is a very qualified and experienced backup. To be honest I bet they are more dangerous on the deep ball with him. Short week, hurricane BS coming through. Let your veteran backup play the game and let Tua get some rest. Even if it was back and ankle injuries he still could have and probably should have needed the rest.

Won't lie though if there was something being hidden it feels like Tua was in on it and wanting to play through it himself. He's going to have to learn to be extremely careful if/when he returns as you do not need to be taking unnecessary chances with brain injuries. I feel like we just watched his career drastically become shortened after tonight.

(09-30-2022, 08:41 AM)Nepa Wrote: If I were the NFLPA, or anyone investigating the response to Tua's symptoms on Sunday, then I'm going to ask the independent neurologist whether the person actually saw the footage of Tua stumbling around, shaking his head, losing his balance, or whether the neurologist just focused on Tua as he was presenting back in the locker room and Tua's self-report. 

Because the actual symptoms on the field needed to be part of the equation. As we have seen, several neurologists said the video of Tua's symptoms on the field were a clear sign of a concussion. The neurologist and the team's coaches need to protect the players from themselves. This was a very bad look for the NFL and the Miami coaches, to put a player back on the field as they did, because his life and health was at risk. As the one who discovered CTE said in one interview after watching Tua on Sunday, a billion dollars is not worth risking his life.

(09-30-2022, 01:59 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I’ve often suspected they don’t watch the footage. If the signs resolve by the time the locker room evaluation occurs and the player denies symptoms, that gives them the wiggle room to truthfully report the physical exam was normal. Even though their gait and balance were grossly abnormal on the field immediately afterwards.

(09-30-2022, 01:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I believe they had won their last 9, as I heard it was 12 straight coming into last night’s game. Flores had a good thing brewing down there, and that was without having Tyreek Hill.

Let’s pump the brakes on anointing McDaniel the next McVay.

(09-30-2022, 02:07 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: To me it just seems like common sense that the team Dr. would be more involved (watching the game) and at a minimum reviewing the footage of an injury play.

Again to me and I'm no medical person. But after you see that whiplash effect on his head (last sunday) then seeing him get up and stagger. He was concussed and there's zero doubt.

It seems like a gross dereliction of duty to just ask Tua "what year is it" and shine a light in his eyes and say yup he's okay.

(09-30-2022, 01:18 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You called it Brad.