(05-29-2016, 05:26 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The whole team other than a couple of people are terrible in the playoffs when Dalton played. DL - played like shit, secondary - played like shit, LBs - played like shit, OL - played like shit, WR core - played like shit, TEs - played like shit, RBs - played like shit, everyone played like shit.

(05-29-2016, 10:28 PM)tlotharw Wrote: Did Dalton play like shit?

Yes, yes he did.

(05-29-2016, 10:28 PM)tlotharw Wrote: Did Dalton play like shit?

(05-29-2016, 11:20 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 1. Yeah, Campbell did play for the Browns, a year before he didn't play for us. He wasn't exactly good there, but who is?

2. An opportunity as a backup is the "opportunities" you were referring to? He was already a backup so I'm not sure how this proves that other teams were impressed by Fitzy's awful season with the Bengals. The opportunities he's been getting (as a starter) with the Texans and Jets are thanks to his good seasons with the Bills. He did get a bigger contract with the Bills, but not until after he proved himself as a starter - with the Bills.

3. I was talking about Reggie Kelly. Not Kelly Washington, who was long gone by that point. He also had Housh, Chad, Chris Henry, Utecht, and Caldwell. He had Benson at RB. More than enough to work with, IMO.

4. So I guess you thought Russell Wilson had a clutch performance in the 2014 NFC championship? Dude completed less than half his passes, threw 4 INTs and took 5 sacks. But he did throw the game winner in OT. IMO, that was a miserable choke job of a performance in a playoff game. 

Sure, the last play was clutch, but the overall performance was the opposite of clutch. Had Wilson not been so completely awful all game, the Seahawks would've won by 20+. But I'm supposed to believe that just because he pulled himself together for a play or 2, that his performance was somehow "clutch"? Same deal with McCarron. We would've smoked the Steelers had he even played average all game. 

Our defense was clutch. Kept our inept offense in the game the whole way through. Forced turnovers, sacks and 3 and outs all game. Kept giving the offense ample opportunities and good field position. AJ leading the offense to 16 points and countless stalled drives while coughing up multiple turnovers wasn't clutch by my definition. 

I don't care if he had a couple good drives (that were greatly aided by field position and Jeremy Hill). Had he not wet the bed so much for 3+ quarters, we would've won this one easily. He's as much to blame as anyone for us not having a playoff win. I give him some slack for it being his 5th start, but it doesn't make it any less true.

(05-30-2016, 03:58 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: Utrecht and Caldwell?  There you go running off a list of names like it's something even when it's not.  Chad was spiraling by then too.  House was decent but overrated and a product of Carson and Chad's greatness when he was productive.

(05-30-2016, 04:21 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Housh was decent? He posted 4 straight seasons with over 900 yards. 5 straight seasons if you include the year with Fitzpatrick. 6 straight years even once he left Cincinnati for Seattle, where he obviously didn't play with Chad or Carson. And even much of 2008 he didn't play with Chad and Carson.

Chad went 6 straight seasons with over 1,100 yards. 5 straight seasons with over 1,200 yards. And after 2008 Chad still posted a season on 1,000 yards and caught 9 TDs. 2nd most in his career (also did it in 04 and 05).

While Chirs Henry was a troubled past, he still did well when he played. 21 receiving TDs in 55 games as a #3 WR is pretty good.

Benson was pretty mediocre his first year here, but when you have Fitzpatrick throwing the ball why not stuff the box with 8? But 2009 was obviously Benson's best year.

So yes, there were options out there for Fitzpatrick and talent around him. Was it older talent that was no longer in their prime? Yes. Did players from that team produce in 2009? Absolutely. Chad had a good year despite lacking receiving weapons in 09. Housh continued to be what he was here, a reliable WR who will get you yards and tough 1st downs. Benson had his best year. Henry only played in 8 games in 2009, but still had 2 TDs and 236 yards. Averaged 23.6 YPC.

(05-30-2016, 06:35 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: So for one year after Seattle picked him up in fa, he did okay.  And then nothing.

:)

You type so much to support nothing of substance.

(05-30-2016, 06:35 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: So for one year after Seattle picked him up in fa, he did okay.  And then nothing.

:)

You type so much to support nothing of substance.

(05-30-2016, 06:35 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: So for one year after Seattle picked him up in fa, he did okay.  And then nothing.

:)

You type so much to support nothing of substance.

(05-31-2016, 10:25 AM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: He's no T.J. Yates.

(05-31-2016, 12:59 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Actually TJ Yates is a very interesting comparison. Both were 5th round picks. Like McCarron, Yates' first NFL starts came in place of an injured starter (Schaub) late in the season. He led a really good team to a couple more wins down the stretch. Then he won a playoff game - the Texans first playoff win in team history.

The only differences were...

1. Yates actually beat 2 playoff teams in the regular season (Falcons and Bengals) instead of bad teams like McCarron beat (49ers and Ravens).
2. Yates actually played well and won in the playoffs, unlike McCarron.
3. Texans fans weren't talking like they had the next Tom Brady sitting on their bench.

(05-31-2016, 01:57 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This is the nature of the game...for some reason people just LOVE to dream QBs with empty resumes are going to be SUPER.  And it only seems to apply to QBs...no one ever seems to say:

- We need to see what a HC with no NFL experience can do
- I'd rather take my car to a mechanic who's never worked on a car before rather than a boring old industry veteran
- My dentist might be the Tom Brady of dentists because he graduated really low in his class
- I already KNOW what I have in my middle-aged wife...maybe I should bench her for a young prospect and see what happens

Ok, well the last one seems to hold some appeal.

(05-31-2016, 02:25 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Well you never know if that late round prospect may turn out to be the next Brooklyn Decker. 

Even though the previous 400 late round prospects looked more like Rosie O'Donnell.