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RE: Rank our Backup QB - tlotharw - 05-29-2016 (05-29-2016, 05:26 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The whole team other than a couple of people are terrible in the playoffs when Dalton played. DL - played like shit, secondary - played like shit, LBs - played like shit, OL - played like shit, WR core - played like shit, TEs - played like shit, RBs - played like shit, everyone played like shit. Did Dalton play like shit? RE: Rank our Backup QB - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-29-2016 (05-29-2016, 10:28 PM)tlotharw Wrote: Did Dalton play like shit? Yes, yes he did. ![]() RE: Rank our Backup QB - Brownshoe - 05-29-2016 (05-29-2016, 10:28 PM)tlotharw Wrote: Did Dalton play like shit? Is Dalton not a part of everyone? Plus it's not hard for anyone to play like shit if everyone else around you is too. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Savagehenry54 - 05-30-2016 (05-29-2016, 11:20 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 1. Yeah, Campbell did play for the Browns, a year before he didn't play for us. He wasn't exactly good there, but who is? Utrecht and Caldwell? There you go running off a list of names like it's something even when it's not. Chad was spiraling by then too. House was decent but overrated and a product of Carson and Chad's greatness when he was productive. RE: Rank our Backup QB - wolfkaosaun - 05-30-2016 (05-30-2016, 03:58 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: Utrecht and Caldwell? There you go running off a list of names like it's something even when it's not. Chad was spiraling by then too. House was decent but overrated and a product of Carson and Chad's greatness when he was productive. Housh was decent? He posted 4 straight seasons with over 900 yards. 5 straight seasons if you include the year with Fitzpatrick. 6 straight years even once he left Cincinnati for Seattle, where he obviously didn't play with Chad or Carson. And even much of 2008 he didn't play with Chad and Carson. Chad went 6 straight seasons with over 1,100 yards. 5 straight seasons with over 1,200 yards. And after 2008 Chad still posted a season on 1,000 yards and caught 9 TDs. 2nd most in his career (also did it in 04 and 05). While Chirs Henry was a troubled past, he still did well when he played. 21 receiving TDs in 55 games as a #3 WR is pretty good. Benson was pretty mediocre his first year here, but when you have Fitzpatrick throwing the ball why not stuff the box with 8? But 2009 was obviously Benson's best year. So yes, there were options out there for Fitzpatrick and talent around him. Was it older talent that was no longer in their prime? Yes. Did players from that team produce in 2009? Absolutely. Chad had a good year despite lacking receiving weapons in 09. Housh continued to be what he was here, a reliable WR who will get you yards and tough 1st downs. Benson had his best year. Henry only played in 8 games in 2009, but still had 2 TDs and 236 yards. Averaged 23.6 YPC. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Vanilla Heat - 05-30-2016 McCarron is a decent backup. He's not he answer as a starter, and no team who needs a starting QB would have interest in him as anything more than a stopgap. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Savagehenry54 - 05-30-2016 (05-30-2016, 04:21 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Housh was decent? He posted 4 straight seasons with over 900 yards. 5 straight seasons if you include the year with Fitzpatrick. 6 straight years even once he left Cincinnati for Seattle, where he obviously didn't play with Chad or Carson. And even much of 2008 he didn't play with Chad and Carson. So for one year after Seattle picked him up in fa, he did okay. And then nothing. :) You type so much to support nothing of substance. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Shake n Blake - 05-30-2016 (05-30-2016, 06:35 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: So for one year after Seattle picked him up in fa, he did okay. And then nothing. Housh was old by then. He (like so many other players) had to fall off at some point. Keep in mind that Seattle cut him right before the season where he "fell off". He had zero time to learn Baltimore's playbook. Seattle screwed him, tbh. Still, it's not like he had much time left. By that point he was 33 or so. RE: Rank our Backup QB - wolfkaosaun - 05-30-2016 (05-30-2016, 06:35 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: So for one year after Seattle picked him up in fa, he did okay. And then nothing. I'm supporting that Housh was not just a product of "Carson and CHad" by pointing out he STILL had over 900 even while not playing with both players. And still showed support that Fitz had a lot of weapons to work with in 08. By showing what they did before he played with them and even after. You're just turning a blind eye to facts. You don't have over 900 yards for 6 straight seasons by being just a "product". I mean, even in 2004 Carson wasn't all that great and even Kitna played in games, yet Housh still produced. Please go ahead and show me how I was wrong with bringing up 09 stats of those players that were on the team in 08. They all pretty much stayed constant with how they always played, and some improved (IE: Benson). RE: Rank our Backup QB - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-30-2016 (05-30-2016, 06:35 PM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: So for one year after Seattle picked him up in fa, he did okay. And then nothing. Housh was not a #1 WR no matter how much he tried to talk himself into one. Doesn't mean he wasn't a GREAT #2 WR while he was here. Dude was clutch, unlike Chad Johnson. RE: Rank our Backup QB - BengalFanInNJ - 05-31-2016 He's no T.J. Yates. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Shake n Blake - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 10:25 AM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: He's no T.J. Yates. Actually TJ Yates is a very interesting comparison. Both were 5th round picks. Like McCarron, Yates' first NFL starts came in place of an injured starter (Schaub) late in the season. He led a really good team to a couple more wins down the stretch. Then he won a playoff game - the Texans first playoff win in team history. The only differences were... 1. Yates actually beat 2 playoff teams in the regular season (Falcons and Bengals) instead of bad teams like McCarron beat (49ers and Ravens). 2. Yates actually played well and won in the playoffs, unlike McCarron. 3. Texans fans weren't talking like they had the next Tom Brady sitting on their bench. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Nately120 - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 12:59 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Actually TJ Yates is a very interesting comparison. Both were 5th round picks. Like McCarron, Yates' first NFL starts came in place of an injured starter (Schaub) late in the season. He led a really good team to a couple more wins down the stretch. Then he won a playoff game - the Texans first playoff win in team history. This is the nature of the game...for some reason people just LOVE to dream QBs with empty resumes are going to be SUPER. And it only seems to apply to QBs...no one ever seems to say: - We need to see what a HC with no NFL experience can do - I'd rather take my car to a mechanic who's never worked on a car before rather than a boring old industry veteran - My dentist might be the Tom Brady of dentists because he graduated really low in his class - I already KNOW what I have in my middle-aged wife...maybe I should bench her for a young prospect and see what happens Ok, well the last one seems to hold some appeal. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Shake n Blake - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 01:57 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This is the nature of the game...for some reason people just LOVE to dream QBs with empty resumes are going to be SUPER. And it only seems to apply to QBs...no one ever seems to say: Well you never know if that late round prospect may turn out to be the next Brooklyn Decker. Even though the previous 400 late round prospects looked more like Rosie O'Donnell. RE: Rank our Backup QB - Nately120 - 05-31-2016 (05-31-2016, 02:25 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Well you never know if that late round prospect may turn out to be the next Brooklyn Decker. The draft is next to meaningless since any QB in the top 200 can be the next Brady (Tony Romo went undrafted, but he seems to have the reputation as a gigantic loser for some reason) and HOF QBs can be found in the CFL or grocery stores thanks to Moon and Werner. It also depends on the source of QB perception. I have a buddy who is 33 and has been a Packers fan his whole life and he simply can't fathom how NFL teams don't just have 2 HOF QBs for the span of 30 years. He seriously said the Bears should drop Cutler and trade for Matt Flynn (when Flynn was on the bench in Seattle) because, I would assume, it seemed only natural that any Packers QB that exists is a franchise-chaning godsend. Must be nice! |