(03-01-2017, 11:02 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Burfict may make about $7-8 million a year if they extend him.

They could chose to let him go to free agency and low ball him...as there are some teams that won't want his on-field antics. All it takes is one team to make a huge offer though.

(02-28-2017, 10:27 PM)Whatever Wrote:   However, setting aside cap dollars to roll into next year just so next year you can set aside more cap dollars to roll into the following year only makes sense if your strategy is to wait for the league to lose revenue, then strike when the cap goes down and everyone else has to dump salary to get under the cap. 

(03-01-2017, 11:40 AM)ochocincos Wrote: He might. But as Hammerstripes pointed out, Burfict already counts $4.7 million toward the 2017 cap. If he goes up to $7-8 million, that's only a few million more per year. The only way Burfict would command a big consumption of the remaining 2017 cap is if his contract is front-loaded. Front-loading is great in terms of making the subsequent years cost less, but it weakens the first 1-2 years because it's money that could have been spent on other upgrades.

At some point, the Bengals need to try and go "all in" to win it all and quit doing these front-loaded contracts. Maybe sacrifice front loading somewhat and instead invest it in another impact FA. If they keep following the same model, they will stay stagnant. Not going back to the basement, but never reaching the promised land.

(03-01-2017, 12:08 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I agree in theory...but Zeitler's cap hit for this past season was $8 million and Kirkpatrick's was $7.5 million.

The Bengals don't look at it as just adding a few more million to what they already make in Zeitler's case.

Another point is that the rollover cap space is perfect for front-loading a deal.

(02-28-2017, 11:45 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: This is the most realistic view. The Bengals are rebuilding. I'm admitting it. Others should too.

(02-28-2017, 09:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sorry if this has already been explained but I am not going to read 8 pages of whining and crying to find out.

Mike Brown does not put unspent cap space into his pocket like some other owners.  Instead he rolls it over.

Each of the last two years the bengals have spoent ABOVE the league salary cap.  The were able to do this because of the money rolled over.  

Bengals are not ebing cheap.  The last two years they have been spending MORE than most other teams in the league on player salaries.

(03-01-2017, 12:32 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The Bengals have an adjusted salary cap because of the rollover. Saying they spent above the salary cap when their adjusted salary cap was millions above the League salary cap and still rolled over millions into the next year is #fakefrednews. 

(03-01-2017, 12:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We are not just rolling money over every year.  the last two years we have been able to spend OVER the league salary cap.  So we are spending the money we roll over.  Without the money we rolled over in '14 wewould not have been able to pay all the players we have the last two years.

(03-01-2017, 01:04 PM)jj22 Wrote: Imagine how the players feel to see all these other teams spend and they see what we see (the Bengals have 43m in cap space) yet hear the Front Office claiming they only have 15m to spend. They must know winning a championship isn't in the plans.

(02-28-2017, 11:38 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Even if you're a glass-half-full type, you have to admit that Hobson does this literally every single year.

How is it possible that we're the only NFL team that NEVER has a little extra money for free agency?

Instead of having Hobs bullshit the fanbase every year, maybe the Bengals should just come out and say they don't like using FA, and explain why.

I'm not saying I'd agree with their reasoning, but at least they wouldn't be lying to their fans like they're stupid.

(03-01-2017, 12:40 PM)muskiesfan Wrote: The Bengals rolled over $6.5m from last season to this season. It has been reported that the Bengals did not roll that money over for this year's free agents, so they're not going to use it. Jim O and Hobson have both reported this. So the best anyone can guess is that money will be rolled over into next year, and possibly more. That's the only way the team can say they only have $15m for this year.

While you can continue to talk about the whining and bitching, fans just don't understand how the team cuts $43m down to $15m when they have 3 key free agents. Especially after they watch a team with half of our cap space franchise their RB and spend $80m on their top WR. I hope you can understand why there is confusion and why people are "whining and bitching".

The argument of smart spending v. Mike Brown spending not withstanding, the Bengals are notorious for front loading contracts. So the rollover and front loading does allow them to spend over the cap because they gave themselves extra cushion. They spend cash over cap because they can count an entire bonus towards cash spent for that year while spreading the cap hit over the life of the contract (up to 5 years). So you are right in that the spend and they know how to set everything up to meet the floor. Let's not try and act like the Bengals are just throwing money around because looking at our own players that have already left and are potentially leaving, that's just not the case.

So while you swear up and down that you're right, we're actually both right. The Bengals are spending the money and they front load the contracts to eat up cap as well as cash over cap. However, they're not doing the best job of it if we sign our own and roll money over for our free agents, but them limit our cap and watch them leave.

(03-01-2017, 01:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I believe the roll-over is an all-or-nothing thing. A team can't just decide what amount to roll over. It's whatever is left of the previous season's adjusted cap.
So based on this, they must have spent over the normal cap in 2015 and 2016 because the rolled over amount decreased.

Fred actually is right that they have been spending over the normal cap amount the past two years. The Bengals' problem is that they overspend that extra cap money on poor performance like Rey Maualuga to get over that normal cap. They Bengals haven't necessarily been cheap the past two years, they've just been dumb with how they spend their money.

(03-01-2017, 01:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't see your point.  Everything I said was true.  The reason the amount that is rolled over decreases is because the Bengals spend over the league cap.  They would not have been able to spend as much as they did the last two years without rolling over cap space.

(03-01-2017, 01:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I believe the roll-over is an all-or-nothing thing. A team can't just decide what amount to roll over. It's whatever is left of the previous season's adjusted cap.
So based on this, they must have spent over the normal cap in 2015 and 2016 because the rolled over amount decreased.

Fred actually is right that they have been spending over the normal cap amount the past two years. The Bengals' problem is that they overspend that extra cap money on poor performance like Rey Maualuga to get over that normal cap. They Bengals haven't necessarily been cheap the past two years, they've just been dumb with how they spend their money.

(03-01-2017, 12:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We are not just rolling money over every year.  the last two years we have been able to spend OVER the league salary cap.  So we are spending the money we roll over.  Without the money we rolled over in '14 wewould not have been able to pay all the players we have the last two years.