(02-25-2019, 02:35 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'd say the best way we can free up the draft is by signing Juwaun James, RT.

I would think that Taylor would want a QB or WR if he had his ideal choice. We just have too many needs.

(02-26-2019, 01:57 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: x2. 


That's just one of those things that Mike has dug his heels in on, and it won't change til he's gone. He wants to win, but he wants to win "his way".


How many of those players are on our roster? Because I'm not sure being on the roster of a 6-10 team is a big accomplishment.

Also, quality >>> quantity. How many pro-bowlers or all-pro's have we drafted in comparison to other teams?

(02-26-2019, 11:26 AM)SladeX Wrote: Since the next highest teams are at 44, I'm going out on a limb and saying this is players drafted by a team that have since moved on.

(02-28-2019, 05:43 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: This guy just doesn’t get it. He’s sorry what he said came out, not what he said.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/28/jim-turner-unfortunately-some-things-i-said-came-out-so-i-have-to-be-smarter/

(02-28-2019, 05:43 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: This guy just doesn’t get it. He’s sorry what he said came out, not what he said.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/28/jim-turner-unfortunately-some-things-i-said-came-out-so-i-have-to-be-smarter/

(02-28-2019, 08:00 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Good for him. I'm for moving on and giving him a chance. I like his hard-nose Marine attitude. We're not hiring him to be a life coach, just an OL coach. It seems like he learned his lesson so he's got a clean slate in my eyes. He doesnt have to agree with my version of morality to have a job he's good at, the way I see it.

(02-28-2019, 07:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Bengals.com has an interesting article up on Turner. A couple of things that stood out for me:

On what he's learned since the Miami experience --

“I'm an Irish Catholic from Boston, all right. I was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps. A lot of what I grew up with in my home and a lot of what I experienced in my time through college and coaching and the military, I use humor a lot to make my point,” Turner said. “And when you're talking to a group of men, you really have to see what the situation is like. Who are you speaking to? So when I'm standing in a room filled with Marines, it can be harsh. And it can be direct as to what you want them to do. You need to make your points. Speaking to an offensive line in the NFL isn't much different.

“And so there are some things said sometimes that wouldn't come out right if the average citizen just walking down the street was to listen to it. And unfortunately, some of the things I said and some of the things I did with my players, had come out. And so moving forward, I just have to be smart about what I do and when I'm going to try to use entertainment to motivate the players.”

It sounds like he really likes Bobby Hart --

“I thought was phenomenal. I know he gave up some sacks and pressures and all this other business, but if you really watch him play, he played with passion and I thought he played well,” Turner said. “He played for Jimbo, so I talked with Jimbo about him coming from Florida State. I just like what he brought to the table as far as energy is concerned. I think he’s an athlete and I think he’s a good player, a good, solid player.”

(02-28-2019, 07:45 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Bengals.com has an interesting article up on Turner. A couple of things that stood out for me:

On what he's learned since the Miami experience --

“I'm an Irish Catholic from Boston, all right. I was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps. A lot of what I grew up with in my home and a lot of what I experienced in my time through college and coaching and the military, I use humor a lot to make my point,” Turner said. “And when you're talking to a group of men, you really have to see what the situation is like. Who are you speaking to? So when I'm standing in a room filled with Marines, it can be harsh. And it can be direct as to what you want them to do. You need to make your points. Speaking to an offensive line in the NFL isn't much different.

“And so there are some things said sometimes that wouldn't come out right if the average citizen just walking down the street was to listen to it. And unfortunately, some of the things I said and some of the things I did with my players, had come out. And so moving forward, I just have to be smart about what I do and when I'm going to try to use entertainment to motivate the players.”

It sounds like he really likes Bobby Hart --

“I thought was phenomenal. I know he gave up some sacks and pressures and all this other business, but if you really watch him play, he played with passion and I thought he played well,” Turner said. “He played for Jimbo, so I talked with Jimbo about him coming from Florida State. I just like what he brought to the table as far as energy is concerned. I think he’s an athlete and I think he’s a good player, a good, solid player.”

(02-28-2019, 12:05 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: To be fair, there have been a lot of Pro Bowl and All Pro snubbs here. Whit, Hall, Dunlap and just lately Mixon got snubbed.

(02-28-2019, 09:55 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Then there is no good way to judge our scouting department...because "players on rosters" could mean any bottom-of-the-roster scrub.

(02-26-2019, 01:57 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: How many of those players are on our roster? Because I'm not sure being on the roster of a 6-10 team is a big accomplishment.

Also, quality >>> quantity. How many pro-bowlers or all-pro's have we drafted in comparison to other teams?

(02-28-2019, 10:03 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Still think we draft well, think the Og pick is what makes everyone think otherwise. That was a terrible pick. Should of scouted that guy better that is for damn sure but i blame Piano man on that pick. Thought he could make something out of that shit sandwich and boy was he wrong.

(02-28-2019, 10:08 PM)Synric Wrote: Does how amount on the roster change the fact the Bengals draft well? Wouldnt a team that drafts well have more of their own picks on their roster?

The league average of players drafted on NFL teams is mid 30s that means mid to high 20s that they have drafted on their roster. That means half their 53 man teams is made up of either Free Agents or UDFAs.

(03-01-2019, 12:13 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I honestly don't think we draft terribly overall, but Og is far from the only ammo you could use if you wanted to question our scouting. Especially lately. Guys like Boyd are good, but we haven't had enough "hits" lately, and that's a huge reason why we've missed the playoffs 3 years straight. The roster just isn't what it was from 2011-2015. We haven't replenished talent.

I get that people are in a feel good mood with Marv gone, and I'm not trying to be overly negative here. I just feel that questions about our drafting (over the last few years) are more than fair. We've had some major whiffs and not enough big time players drafted.


It's not a fact that we draft well. It's an opinion, and having more of your own drafted players on your roster proves nothing unless those players are good. Again, quality over quantity. As of now, we've had 3 straight losing seasons, at least partially due to draft flops (Ogbuehi, Fisher, Ross, etc). Having players like that and players at the bottom of the roster contributing to those losing seasons somehow proves we're good at drafting? 

Sorry, that's Mike Brown logic. Overall, I'm a Tobin fan, but feel an expanded scouting department could only help our cause. 

(03-01-2019, 12:28 AM)Synric Wrote: Other than linebacker, RT, and RG can you point to bad places on the roster? I mean you can start attacking depth but the Bengals have a solid roster that's biggest problem was coaching.

Can you really say teams with half their roster is free agents and udfa draft better? It's a flawed arguement

(03-01-2019, 12:13 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I honestly don't think we draft terribly overall, but Og is far from the only ammo you could use if you wanted to question our scouting. Especially lately. Guys like Boyd are good, but we haven't had enough "hits" lately, and that's a huge reason why we've missed the playoffs 3 years straight. The roster just isn't what it was from 2011-2015. We haven't replenished talent.

I get that people are in a feel good mood with Marv gone, and I'm not trying to be overly negative here. I just feel that questions about our drafting (over the last few years) are more than fair. We've had some major whiffs and not enough big time players drafted.


It's not a fact that we draft well. It's an opinion, and having more of your own drafted players on your roster proves nothing unless those players are good. Again, quality over quantity. As of now, we've had 3 straight losing seasons, at least partially due to draft flops (Ogbuehi, Fisher, Ross, etc). Having players like that and players at the bottom of the roster contributing to those losing seasons somehow proves we're good at drafting? 

Sorry, that's Mike Brown logic. Overall, I'm a Tobin fan, but feel an expanded scouting department could only help our cause. 

Jim Turner on Bobby Hart cont: “I know he gave up some sacks and pressures and all this other business, but if you really watch him play, he played with passion and I thought he played well. He played for Jimbo, so I talked with Jimbo about him coming from Florida State.

— Katherine Terrell (@Kat_Terrell) February 28, 2019

Jim Turner on Bobby Hart cont: “I just like what he brought to the table as far as energy is concerned. I think he’s an athlete and I think he’s a good player, a good, solid player.”

— Katherine Terrell (@Kat_Terrell) February 28, 2019

(03-01-2019, 02:16 PM)Trademark Wrote: LOL I’m losing more and more interest for this new regime by the day

Jim Turner on Bobby Hart cont: “I just like what he brought to the table as far as energy is concerned. I think he’s an athlete and I think he’s a good player, a good, solid player.”

— Katherine Terrell (@Kat_Terrell) February 28, 2019