(07-08-2019, 02:56 PM)Synric Wrote: They allowed a ton of pressures is why they are 27th. 

Redmond was one of the worst in the league at guard. Both tackles also struggled giving up a ton of pressures. Price wasnt awful in pass pro but also didnt stand out and struggled with 1vs1 run blocks against IDL. Boling also had a career worst year in pass pro.

That said... they did improve drastically over 2017 which had to be the worst offensive line play I have ever seen.

(07-08-2019, 04:12 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pressures is pretty subjective, but even if you said the Bengals were a dead last 32nd in Pressures Allowed, that would still average out to a 14.5 average with their other stat ratings.  If you said they were dead last 32nd in Penalties, that would drag them down to an average of 18.


To get a rating of 27th based on objective stats, you would have to insanely overweight Pressures compared to Sacks and Hits in your equation, which makes no sense.  The offense can function if the QB gets pressured.  It can't if he gets sacked.

Concrete data doesn't bear out their ratings.  If Joe Mixon is only a "Good" RB by their rankings, how does he lead the conference in rushing behind one their worst ranked OL's in the league?

(07-07-2019, 04:31 PM)jason Wrote: So... In summation; we are not done crying and moaning.

(07-08-2019, 04:12 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pressures is pretty subjective, but even if you said the Bengals were a dead last 32nd in Pressures Allowed, that would still average out to a 14.5 average with their other stat ratings.  If you said they were dead last 32nd in Penalties, that would drag them down to an average of 18.


To get a rating of 27th based on objective stats, you would have to insanely overweight Pressures compared to Sacks and Hits in your equation, which makes no sense.  The offense can function if the QB gets pressured.  It can't if he gets sacked.

Concrete data doesn't bear out their ratings.  If Joe Mixon is only a "Good" RB by their rankings, how does he lead the conference in rushing behind one their worst ranked OL's in the league?

(07-08-2019, 04:38 PM)Synric Wrote: Pressures are a measured stat they are not subjective.

(07-08-2019, 04:46 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think that almost everyone in this forum would agree that our offensive line is bad and not one of the better ones in the league.

Pressures, sacks, false starts, penalties, poor run blocking...it all factors in.

(07-08-2019, 05:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: How are they measured?  You get a sack if you tackle the QB while he still has the ball.  There's concrete indisputable evidence that says whether it was a Sack or not.  Pressures are based solely on human judgement, hence subjective.

(07-08-2019, 06:25 PM)Synric Wrote: Pressures which includes Sacks and QB Hits is now a stat measures through GPS tags in every players shoulder pads. It shows if the defender is closer to the QB than the guy that was blocking him in a set amount of time.

It is now a stat which we have definite precise numbers through Next Gen Stats and PFF.

(07-08-2019, 06:49 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pressures are not listed as a Next Gen stat, or at least not as I can find on their site.  PFF doesn't have access to the GPS trackers and evaluates a pressure per human judgment on game film.  The metric you describe is also terrible.  If a DE gets closer to the QB than the T right when the ball is thrown, it's a pressure whether the DE is 5 inches from the QB or 5 yards from the QB.  On a HB screen, I guess everyone on the OL gets dinged for a pressure since they are literally supposed to let the DL go.

(07-08-2019, 04:46 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think that almost everyone in this forum would agree that our offensive line is bad and not one of the better ones in the league.

Pressures, sacks, false starts, penalties, poor run blocking...it all factors in.

(07-07-2019, 06:56 PM)jason Wrote: Are turnovers flukey when the Bengals commit them?

(07-08-2019, 03:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is a perfect example of what I was talking about.  In the Dolphins game we completely dominated every phase of the game from the middle of the third quarter.  Here is what happened after the Dolphins took a 17-0 lead with 9:25 left in the third quarter.

Bengals offense next 3 possessions...…...27 plays...175 yards...10 firstdowns…......3 scores...0 turnovers
Dolphins offense next 5 possessions...…..22 plays.... 46 yards... 3 firstdowns..……. 0 scores...3 turnovers

That was not luck.  That was a total beat down by the Bengals on both offense and defense.



And why does that fact that Atlanta had a poor defense mean that we should have lost to them.  That makes no sense at all.  

(07-08-2019, 04:46 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think that almost everyone in this forum would agree that our offensive line is bad and not one of the better ones in the league.

Pressures, sacks, false starts, penalties, poor run blocking...it all factors in.

(07-08-2019, 11:34 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: It's a case-by-case thing.

There are turnovers that are caused by exceptional defensive play, and also turnovers caused by bonheaded offensive plays.

Ryan Tannehill and Isiah Oliver were dumbasses. Not a lot of football players reach those kinds of stupidity levels.

(07-08-2019, 11:39 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: 1.  We didn't dominate every phase of that game from the end of the third onward. We had a shitty anemic offense that made one eceptional play (Dalton to Mixon TD), and a defense aided by Tannehill being Tannehill.

What i'm saying is that Atlanta's defense was putrid, yet it STILL took a dumbass in Isiah Oliver for us to win that game.

(10-07-2019, 12:54 AM)Joelist Wrote: Eh. It has changed a bit now to boredom and wondering if they will do the obvious and trade people to stock up picks.

(10-07-2019, 12:49 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Just checking to see if everyone is done crying and moaning, yet.