(08-22-2022, 10:58 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I think he’s already better than Carman.

(08-23-2022, 10:21 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm probably being paranoid, but I get nightmares about the team just rolling with Michael Jordan at LG because he was cheap and young. "Oh, he'll come around," they said. We all know how that ended.

(08-23-2022, 11:00 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Good post.  "Average air yards" is a more accurate metric, but I could not find anything other than single season stats.

I do question how much is required for a QB to qualify if there are 72 since 2019.  But that is okay in this instance because we are talking about a back up.  He is not going to have a lot of attempts.

(08-23-2022, 11:54 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Pro-Football-Reference has Air Yards in their Advanced Passing section on QB pages.
It includes every season since 2018.

Here's Brandon Allen's page - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleBr00.htm

(08-23-2022, 11:58 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  That is the source I use.  But for "air yards" they don't have "career" numbers.  Just individual seasons.

(08-23-2022, 11:01 AM)Au165 Wrote: Here is the thing, you can have one weak spot you can't have multiples. Ted being a vet will be very beneficial to whomever lines up at LG. In the majority of cases you have four man rushes which means there is always an extra blocker. Add into that many passing plays have the HB in a check and release call so you have a 6th if needed. There is plenty of ways to get the LG help if we need it. We are way overblowing the idea that LG (which by the way is the least important position on the line) means certain doom if not changed out.

Now if Jonah or Ted go down and we have to plug an inexperienced guy on either side of the LG that could be an issue.

(08-23-2022, 12:53 PM)Whatever Wrote: Carman or Volson will get the job because Pollack would lose all credibility if they don't.  

(08-23-2022, 09:30 AM)ochocincos Wrote: This is what I expected with Volson.
He'd do some things well, but he'd definitely have some struggles at times.

The problem I have is this is not the level I want for a starter for a Super Bowl team.

I'm happy for Volson and also even Carman to be the backup OGs this season while they continue development and even get some spot reps.
I'd like for someone else to be added that can give the fans more confidence the spot is solidified for this season.

(08-23-2022, 09:39 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Exactly.

And that's why I'd be ok with Spain back.
He was the team's 2nd best OL through the regular season, the 3rd best in the postseason.
He was rather consistent.
As the team's 4th or 5th best OL starter, that's good.
Getting Spain back would mean that spot is now downgraded at all, and the right side of the OL is a clear upgrade from last year.

(08-23-2022, 02:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't understand what you are tryng to say.  If he plays Carman or Volson and they stink he will also lose credibility.

Over the years I have heard this comment many times about how a coach has to play a play a high draft pick to protect his credibility.  But coaches lose even MORE credibility when they play a guy who stinks with better options on the bench.

(08-23-2022, 01:51 PM)Joelist Wrote: The line looked much better in a lot of ways the last game - and remember that this is still the second string line and playing against the Giants first string defense. The QB consistently had a pocket and time to throw and there was some push up front. What made it look so weird was Allen was just WAY off - not just in accuracy but his decision making was terrible. Why is anyone's guess.

(08-22-2022, 12:59 PM)Speedy Thomas Wrote: Pause


17 Davis Cheek
Hello Bengals fans!  I understand that none of you have heard of me.  I'm Davis Cheek, and I'm your new backup QB!

Here are some fun facts about me!  I was a UDFA out of Elon College -- go Phoenix! -- signed by the quarterback-rich Carolina Panthers.  Despite my impressive stats at Elon -- 8548 yards passing, 51 TD's to 21 INT, 135.9 QBR, 224 yards rushing and 6 TD's-- I was released in May.

Want to know more?  I'm 6-3, 217, from Mathews NC (Butler HS).  I majored in business administration.

I can't wait to throw dimes to Chase, Higgins & Boyd!  Here I come!

(08-23-2022, 04:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I am not against us bringing in a guy like Ereck Flowers but I think it is a little late. I understand your concerns, especially 
when you look at our past and not being able to develop the young guys on rookie contracts. Spain if healthy and in shape
still makes a lot of sense but he WILL cost more than a Carman or Volson...

(08-23-2022, 06:25 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Flowers PFF in pass protection is almost 20 points higher than Spain's.  I would much rather have Flowers at LG than Spain or Volson for that matter.

(08-23-2022, 01:51 PM)Joelist Wrote: The line looked much better in a lot of ways the last game - and remember that this is still the second string line and playing against the Giants first string defense. The QB consistently had a pocket and time to throw and there was some push up front. What made it look so weird was Allen was just WAY off - not just in accuracy but his decision making was terrible. Why is anyone's guess.

Quote:

• The Bengals’ line ceded 16 pressures on 39 team pass-blocking snaps after giving up 13 on 40 snaps in preseason Week 1.
• Fourth-round rookie Cordell Volson handled significant snaps (40 pass blocking, 21 run blocking). He gave up a sack and two hurries in pass protection. 

(08-23-2022, 06:36 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you're not thinking of the built in chemistry Spain and Jonah have

(08-23-2022, 07:01 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Spain only had a 58.9 pass protection  PFF even with this "chemistry" and it certainly didn't help Spain in the Super Bowl.  I would rather have Flowers and his 78.1 PFF.

(08-23-2022, 07:05 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: this argument again? Yes, he was playing hurt. Yes, he was going against the most dominant d-lineman in the league.

Shame on Spain for not being Zack Martin. Every decent guard gets destroyed by Aaron Donald. No shame in that

(08-23-2022, 07:25 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The being hurt excuse is complete nonsense.   Spain was never good in pass protection even before the playoffs.  That 58 PFF grade is Spain's grade from regular season.  He was never that good in pass protection. 

(08-23-2022, 06:42 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I didn't get a chance to watch the first game, but I was heavily disappointed with the OL in Preseason Game 2.

Here are some interesting tidbits from PFF's analysis of the OL in the preseason game 2: