(01-11-2016, 05:42 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: How many of the penalties called against the Steelers were as phantom, as biased, and as game-changing as the last two on the Bengals?

(01-11-2016, 03:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://espn.go.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400820428

Penalties:

Steelers: 10-142
Bengals: 8-79 (6-49 before the boneheaded plays by Burfict and Jones)

(01-11-2016, 05:48 PM)Griever Wrote: how were they phantom?

ya'll got out of control and lost the game

marvin is now the best coach in the NFL at losing in the playoffs at 0-7

(01-11-2016, 05:42 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: How many of the penalties called against the Steelers were as phantom, as biased, and as game-changing as the last two on the Bengals?

(01-11-2016, 05:42 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: How many of the penalties called against the Steelers were as phantom, as biased, and as game-changing as the last two on the Bengals?

(01-11-2016, 05:49 PM)mroudfly Wrote: And here I thought penalties were supposed to be called on illegal plays and false starts, etc...I didn't realize there is a new rule that the NFL is supposed to balance out the penalties and yards for each team to make it an equal playing field.

Did I somehow find myself on the liberal football boards or something? The steelers committed more fouls, so yes, they will have more penalties and yards. Very simple to understand.

(01-11-2016, 05:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Burfict turned his head so he wouldn't go helmet-to-helmet with Brown, yet somehow they still threw a flag.

(01-11-2016, 05:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Porter wasn't allowed on the field, so if he wasn't on the field, how did Jones shove him from the middle of the field?

(01-11-2016, 05:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote:
Burfict turned his head so he wouldn't go helmet-to-helmet with Brown, yet somehow they still threw a flag.

Porter wasn't allowed on the field, so if he wasn't on the field, how did Jones shove him from the middle of the field?

(01-11-2016, 04:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: Wasn't the entire same crew, was it?

Same head official but an "all-star" crew I thought?

Either way they blew this early and often.

ZERO of which means the two calls at the end were bad or wrong.

(01-11-2016, 05:52 PM)I\mBFritz21 Wrote: P
Burfict turned his head so he wouldn't go helmet-to-helmet with Brown, yet somehow they still threw a flag.

Porter wasn't allowed on the field, so if he wasn't on the field, how did Jones shove him from the middle of the field?

(01-11-2016, 05:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Burfict turned his head so he wouldn't go helmet-to-helmet with Brown, yet somehow they still threw a flag.

(01-11-2016, 06:01 PM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: Watch the video of Burfict closely.  His helmet DID hit Brown before his shoulder did.  Watch the angle at that is shown at the 0:17 second mark.  

http://youtu.be/-tfLncD3pGM

Porter should have been flagged.  But that doesn't excuse anyone from shoving him from behind, especially if he had to travel several yards to do it.  But that was Gilberry.  Jones wasn't flagged for shoving Porter.  He was flagged for shoving a ref.  Gilberry's shove of Porter went uncalled, as did Burfict's shove of a Steeler trainer.  

But no matter who did what, they are responsible for their own actions.  Porter getting away with being out there does not excuse them from any wrongdoings they themselves commit.  

By the way: the rule prohibiting coaches on the field is written in such a way that the refs have the authority to allow non-players and non-trainers on the field during a time out.  They are not bound to calling penalties in that situation - they can use their own discretion.    

(01-11-2016, 06:20 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: They called a flag because any....I'll repeat that for ya....Any contact by the defender to the head/neck area of a defenseless receiver is a personal foul.  

(01-11-2016, 06:25 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: That is not my issue even though the rule is very dumb. My issue is it is also a rule a player can't use the crown of his helmet on anyone outside the tackle box as Shazier did on Gio creating a turnover that was very similar to the non call PF against Huber on a punt return a few years ago. These are game changing plays and evidence shows it is to the Steelers benefit against the Bengals every time.

(01-11-2016, 06:22 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Please show us that rule then. I am have not seen that portion of the written rule covered after the rule in question. Or is it not written and you are wrong? But if you are correct, Porter will face no discipline for his actions because he broke no rule.

(01-11-2016, 05:53 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Phantom and biased? Get over yourself. They were deserved penalties because they were due to illegal actions. There are a number of personal fouls taking place in the area around Porter (Gilberry with his helmet off for example) but nothing get's called until an official get's hit. They were being lenient with everyone in that situation until Jones touched a zebra. I don't call that biased, I call that giving people leeway in an emotional game.

(01-11-2016, 05:54 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, no.  Brad (among others) believes the refs don't call anything on the Steelers.  They called a lot.  All but one were completely legit.

But when your team melts down and gives away a game like that I guess any excuse is better than the truth?

(01-11-2016, 05:55 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: If you hit a defenseless receiver in the head, using any part of your body, you will get a PF thrown at you. Period. That is what happened.


Jones didn't shove Porter, Gilberry did. Jones laid his hands on an official, or at least bumped him trying to get to Porter. The extent of the contact I do not know.

(01-11-2016, 05:56 PM)Gwillednt Wrote: As for the first part, we went down this road on the old boards when this all started with Harrison back in what? 08? 09? 10? The consnesus was "too bad, so sad, intent doesn't matter and it's up to the defender to find a way to miss". Burfict doesn't get a pass just because he's on our team now, anymore than Harrison used to. Unless, of course, you take the opposite approach, in which case it still works both ways.

No argument from me on the second point, though. That should have been a penalty on Pitt... or offsetting on Pitt and Jones depending on what exactly happened.

(01-11-2016, 06:01 PM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: Watch the video of Burfict closely.  His helmet DID hit Brown before his shoulder did.  Watch the angle at that is shown at the 0:17 second mark.  

http://youtu.be/-tfLncD3pGM

Porter should have been flagged.  But that doesn't excuse anyone from shoving him from behind, especially if he had to travel several yards to do it.  But that was Gilberry.  Jones wasn't flagged for shoving Porter.  He was flagged for shoving a ref.  Gilberry's shove of Porter went uncalled, as did Burfict's shove of a Steeler trainer.  

But no matter who did what, they are responsible for their own actions.  Porter getting away with being out there does not excuse them from any wrongdoings they themselves commit.  

By the way: the rule prohibiting coaches on the field is written in such a way that the refs have the authority to allow non-players and non-trainers on the field during a time out.  They are not bound to calling penalties in that situation - they can use their own discretion.    

(01-11-2016, 06:38 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Rule 13 Article 2

Either or both team attendants and their helpers may enter the field to attend their team during a team timeout by either team. No other non-player may come on the field without the Referee’s permission, unless he is an incoming substitute (5-2-2).

During any team timeout, all playing rules continue in force. Representatives of either team are prohibited from entering the field unless they are incoming substitutes, or team attendants or trainers entering to provide for the welfare of a player, and any game-type activities are prohibited on the Field of Play.


http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook/

You need referee's permission to be on field. Given Porter was out there for some time and in the presence of the ref's, I think that permission is implicit at that point. It's rare but not unusual for coaches to be on the field during an injury. 

(01-11-2016, 06:51 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: How did Jones touch the zebra if Porter wasn't on the field illegally?  Was he shoving air?  Was he hallucinating?  Was I hallucinating?  Were the hundreds of millions of other people that saw it hallucinating?

(01-11-2016, 06:51 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: But Porter wasn't allowed on the field, which no penalty was called, and you and others on here claim that the refs aren't biased towards the Steelers, meaning that they would have called a penalty as blatant as that against there Steelers, so who was Jones trying to get to if Porter wasn't on the field? 

(01-11-2016, 06:38 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Rule 13 Article 2

Either or both team attendants and their helpers may enter the field to attend their team during a team timeout by either team. No other non-player may come on the field without the Referee’s permission, unless he is an incoming substitute (5-2-2).

During any team timeout, all playing rules continue in force. Representatives of either team are prohibited from entering the field unless they are incoming substitutes, or team attendants or trainers entering to provide for the welfare of a player, and any game-type activities are prohibited on the Field of Play.


http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook/

You need referee's permission to be on field. Given Porter was out there for some time and in the presence of the ref's, I think that permission is implicit at that point. It's rare but not unusual for coaches to be on the field during an injury. 

(01-11-2016, 06:55 PM)Benton Wrote: And that's part of where the ref's failed. It's their discretion. In a game where they were supposed to be holding everything close to the line — and a game where they knew things could get out of hand — they should not have allowed a linebackers coach onto the field to check on a receiver.

The Steelers allowed a young position coach from another position to go onto the field to check on a player.

Porter fits in with that coaching crew. Scuzziest bunch of cheaters.