(11-22-2016, 06:10 PM)jj22 Wrote: Dalton's had his year and proved what he could be. If he has a bad year so be it. He did the best he could to hold onto his MVP caliber numbers, before it all fell apart two weeks ago.  No one slams Rogers for having a bad year. Big Ben has had some bad years. Luck has had some bad years, you name a qb and they've had a slump. Our players Geno has, Dunlap has, Whit has, all of our star players have one point or another. We know what they can be and Dalton was a MVP candidate. Anything else is just everyone down and out over the season. Which is understandable. Coaching is a huge factor for many players outside of Brady. We know what Dalton can do. We need a coach that can bring it out of him. Marvin/Zampese can't. Look what Gruden has done with Cousins, look at what Hue did with Dalton.

It's all about the coaching folks. For all players across the league.

I'm not judging our players anymore until a new staff is here and fails with them. No more players (J.Joe, Nelson, Palmer) leaving Bengals and becoming probowlers etc with their new teams. Bums their last season here. Beasts elsewhere.

(11-22-2016, 11:00 AM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: Dd
I honestly don't see how you can come to this conclusion.  Andy moves around in the pocket quite well (much better than he did earlier in his career) and rarely runs.

So far this year he has attempted 360 passes and has been sacked another 29 times for 389 drop backs.  He has ran the ball 34 times with at least three being designed runs down by the goal line.  We also know that they were doing some read option stuff at the beginning of the year, but let's say all 31 of the other runs were where he could not find a receiver and decided to take off... so being generous towards your argument he ran 31 out of 389 times or .079 percent of the time.  Seriously, that is a minuscule amount.

(11-23-2016, 01:24 AM)tlotharw Wrote: Because so many of his attempts end behind the line of scrimmage they are called sacks.

(11-23-2016, 06:57 AM)Wyche Wrote: Have you seen our line play this year?

(11-22-2016, 04:20 PM)bengalsfansince93 Wrote: I want someone to tell me what Dalton does well?

Good arm strength- no
Accurate - no
Move well in pocket - no
Leader -no
Good deep ball - no
Mobile/Athletic- somewhat but not really.


They say he's good at reading the defense. That's the one positive I can think of.

Not trying to be a jerk.  I really struggle to see what his strengths are?  Maybe I'm missing something?

(11-23-2016, 01:24 AM)tlotharw Wrote: Because so many of his attempts end behind the line of scrimmage they are called sacks.

(11-22-2016, 06:10 PM)jj22 Wrote: Dalton's had his year and proved what he could be. If he has a bad year so be it. He did the best he could to hold onto his MVP caliber numbers, before it all fell apart two weeks ago.  No one slams Rogers for having a bad year. Big Ben has had some bad years. Luck has had some bad years, you name a qb and they've had a slump. Our players Geno has, Dunlap has, Whit has, all of our star players have one point or another. We know what they can be and Dalton was a MVP candidate. Anything else is just everyone down and out over the season. Which is understandable. Coaching is a huge factor for many players outside of Brady. We know what Dalton can do. We need a coach that can bring it out of him. Marvin/Zampese can't. Look what Gruden has done with Cousins, look at what Hue did with Dalton.

It's all about the coaching folks. For all players across the league.

I'm not judging our players anymore until a new staff is here and fails with them. No more players (J.Joe, Nelson, Palmer) leaving Bengals and becoming probowlers etc with their new teams. Bums their last season here. Beasts elsewhere.

(11-23-2016, 10:59 AM)BengalChris Wrote: Ug, It's a team game and Dalton is not any of the weak links on this team.

On the OL it's the RT and C who are just not getting it done. The problem isn't even Hill or Gio or Boyd or LaFell, the offensive woos are coming from an OL that simply just doesn't get its job done.

The OL's weakness even affects the defensive performance by ensuring the defense has to defend a short field A LOT.

Not to defend the defenses play or anything, they've got their own problems and it also starts with the DL play and the fact that they are unable to get pressure on the QB very much without blitz help. This is exposing our weaknesses at Safety, Corner and LB.

Behind all of this is the coaching staff's inability to coach these guys and the owner, who is a moron when it comes to football talent.

(11-23-2016, 11:37 AM)Rhinocero23 Wrote: To be honest Dalton was never really a serious part of the MVP discussion. The statement of "Dalton was a MVP candidate" is another one of the major exaggerations some on here use to support their narrative. 

That is not to say he did not have a very good year...however it was not MVP, elite or anything other than a very good year. 

Dalton is an average NfL QB. His play will seldom be the reason they win or loose a game...he is along for the ride. 

(11-23-2016, 11:37 AM)Rhinocero23 Wrote: To be honest Dalton was never really a serious part of the MVP discussion. The statement of "Dalton was a MVP candidate" is another one of the major exaggerations some on here use to support their narrative. 

That is not to say he did not have a very good year...however it was not MVP, elite or anything other than a very good year. 

Dalton is an average NfL QB. His play will seldom be the reason they win or loose a game...he is along for the ride. 

(11-23-2016, 12:59 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I challenge you to find any MVP candidate list from 2015 that doesn't have Dalton as a top 5 candidate right before he went down. He was literally mentioned in every list I read.

If this was such a major exaggeration, you should have no issue finding several.

(11-20-2016, 07:07 PM)RASCAL Wrote: TODAY Dalton got our franchise receiver KNOCKED OUT OF THE GAME!! your reading comp is below average obviously!

be shocked about that!

(11-23-2016, 10:08 PM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote: Dude. AJ has made catches that resemble that in some way hundreds of times over his entire career. Dalton's pass did not injure AJ Green. The way the defender made legal contact led to an unfortunate injury that just happened. Not much we can do about it now other than hope we get AJ back long enough for him to get his 1,000 yards this season and continue his career in the record books.

(11-24-2016, 01:44 AM)bengalsturntup926 Wrote: They are blind man, they need to go on twitter and look up joe goodberry, he will show everyone how dalton is a one read qb

(11-24-2016, 02:11 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Selecting a few examples out of thousands of throws proves zilch. Every QB has quick throws where only one read is made. Only a biased fool would believe Dalton never goes to a 2nd or 3rd option. Do you really believe the passes he's thrown to LaFell, Boyd, Uzomah etc were all designed to go to those guys? Get real.

BengalChris ' Wrote: This.

And with this OL I think Dalton has done pretty damn good job.

(11-24-2016, 02:29 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Some were just dying to pin this season on Dalton, and now that he's had a couple bad games, it's like throwing a steak in a tank full hungry sharks.

(11-24-2016, 02:11 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Selecting a few examples out of thousands of throws proves zilch. Every QB has quick throws where only one read is made. Only a biased fool would believe Dalton never goes to a 2nd or 3rd option. Do you really believe the passes he's thrown to LaFell, Boyd, Uzomah etc were all designed to go to those guys? Get real.

(11-24-2016, 02:29 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Some were just dying to pin this season on Dalton, and now that he's had a couple bad games, it's like throwing a steak in a tank full hungry sharks.