(11-25-2016, 10:49 AM)Junglejuice Wrote: It's sad.  Some fans have been drooling for a down year to trash on Andy again.

People just honestly are delusional when it comes the things they try to use in arguments criticizing Andy. 
Its been an off year for pretty much everyone but Dalton and Green( barring like 2 games)  Dalton is the new Kenny Anderson.

(11-25-2016, 02:41 AM)Hammerthis Wrote: I record and watch all bengal games twice, constantly rewinding to see what's really going on. Like you said, I don't blame Andy for our teams poor record, but I think he's shares the largest responsibility in this team not going further than they have the years he's been here.

(11-30-2016, 02:42 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: Andy is not very consistent nor is he very clutch.   Playoff year #2 he had Green open in the end zone for the game winner.  He overthrew him.  We then lost the game.   Dalton helps get us to the playoffs but Dalton also helps us lose in the playoffs.    Except for last year.   That was on shitty refs. N Pac-Man

(11-30-2016, 02:42 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: Andy is not very consistent nor is he very clutch.   Playoff year #2 he had Green open in the end zone for the game winner.  He overthrew him.  We then lost the game.   Dalton helps get us to the playoffs but Dalton also helps us lose in the playoffs.    Except for last year.   That was on shitty refs. N Pac-Man

(11-30-2016, 05:21 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Nah, there were numerous reasons. Yes, refs sucked, but our passing attack was non-existent until the 4th quarter. Turnovers. And losing our cool at the end.

There's always numerous issues each playoff run. Palmer struggled with us in the playoffs. Dalton struggled with us in the playoffs. McCarron struggled with us in the playoffs. The defense (outside of last year) has struggled in the playoffs.

There's always been one constant throughout the years though.

(11-30-2016, 02:54 PM)Wyche Wrote: I'll just leave this right here.......


https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=KiTY7Gxi5lc

(11-30-2016, 02:42 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: Andy is not very consistent nor is he very clutch.   Playoff year #2 he had Green open in the end zone for the game winner.  He overthrew him.  We then lost the game.   Dalton helps get us to the playoffs but Dalton also helps us lose in the playoffs.    Except for last year.   That was on shitty refs. N Pac-Man

(11-30-2016, 05:21 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Nah, there were numerous reasons. Yes, refs sucked, but our passing attack was non-existent until the 4th quarter. Turnovers. And losing our cool at the end.

There's always numerous issues each playoff run. Palmer struggled with us in the playoffs. Dalton struggled with us in the playoffs. McCarron struggled with us in the playoffs. The defense (outside of last year) has struggled in the playoffs.

There's always been one constant throughout the years though.

(11-30-2016, 07:28 PM)Hammerthis Wrote: And there's always been a constant finger pointing from those refusing to place any responsibility for this teams
short comings on Andy.
Palmer is with a good HC in AZ, what prevent him from playing well in the playoffs against the Panthers?
As for McCarron...last year he was a rookie when Andy went down and the team continued to win. Who gets credit for that? 

(11-30-2016, 10:56 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Why does Jeremy Hill seem to get the least amount of blame for the playoff loss on this board? 

He deserves the most, imo.

(12-01-2016, 12:03 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: If anything, I think Hill's fumble is brought up more than anything else. Burfict and Pacman get excused, and people pretend McCarron's abysmal performance was actually good or excuse it because he was a "rookie".

Ultimately I think people blame Marv the most, but I think Hill takes far more blame than any other underperforming player.

(12-01-2016, 12:16 PM)Wyche Wrote: .....and the thing about that?  Hill was literally carrying the offense on his back prior to the fumble.  I think he, along with the defense, got really amped after the no call on the Shazier hit.  That seemed the light the fire that Marv never has been able to.

(12-01-2016, 12:27 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yup. Hill was fired up and played a huge role in the comeback. The offense finally showed some energy. McCarron included, just so nobody thinks I'm excluding him.

The problem was, the players that helped us most (Hill and Burfict) also hurt us the most at the end. Go figure.

(11-28-2016, 05:50 PM)Wyche Wrote: Mediocre Marv and Son of Paul, and it ain't even close.

(12-01-2016, 03:04 PM)Hammerthis Wrote: LMAO...if you're right where does that leave us? 
We're stuck with MB the puppet master, therefore, let's get excited about hiring a new puppet? 
I'm not suggesting that's your take, but it certainly seems to be the mood around here.

Let's get a new HC, but it doesn't excite me.

(12-01-2016, 11:57 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yup. One constant: giggling.


1. Talks about people deflecting blame from Dalton. Proceeds to deflect blame from McCarron. 

2. The Bengals did not continue to win with McCarron. They went 2-3 after a 10-2 start under Dalton.

3. Palmer may have flopped in the NFC title game, but he's already won more playoff games than Marvin Lewis ever will.

4. If you're going to blame the QB for poor playoff performance, why not just blame the rest of the players as well? IMO, you either blame ALL the underperforming players, or you blame the coach who was responsible for game planning to make those players succeed. You can't exclude the QB as if he's unaffected by poor coaching and game prep.

(12-01-2016, 03:39 PM)Hammerthis Wrote: I pointed out a few facts. 1.Last year McCarron was a rookie coming off the bench. 2.The team continued to win with McCarron.
I did not claim the team went undefeated under McCarron.


You credit Palmer for AZ's win in the playoffs, but if not for an injury, Palmer would have won a playoff game with ML too. He was (getting old now) an outstanding QB! 
But what about the egg he laid against the Panthers? Who do we blaim for that? The HC?
Coaching had nothing to do with it! On that day, Palmer just performed terribly. It happens.

(12-01-2016, 06:17 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 1. You're still deflecting and/or excusing a poor performance by labeling a 2nd year player a rookie. I'd like to agree (to an extent) with that excuse, but Dalton bashers sure have no problem bringing up Dalton's rookie playoff game (when he was actually a rookie).

2. 2-3 is a losing record though. I give McCarron credit for being good enough that the team didn't completely collapse, but insinuating there was no drop off after Dalton went down isn't accurate. We definitely lost momentum and the offense was limited.

3. Small sample size with Arians in AZ. Marv is 0-7 with terrible performances by 4 different QBs and the whole team in general. Arians actually eked a pretty decent game out of Palmer and the whole team in the divisional round. He's 1-1 in the playoffs.