(07-25-2015, 03:37 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Dalton is going to continue to get snubbed until he can win when it counts in the playoffs. It's no surprise that he gets bad press and will continue to get it until he wins in the post-season.

Indy owned him in both games last year, not just in the playoffs. Then, of course, there was the Cleveland game, which will be remembered for a long time and is in the record books.

Dalton, of course, is not the sole target. Mike Brown tops my list and I question his desire and manhood. But Dalton wanted the franchise contract and took it, so until he delivers on it [which didn't come close last year] he's deserving of the press he gets.

(07-25-2015, 04:11 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: Dalton owned the Colts the year before when he had healthy players.  

(07-25-2015, 03:14 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: NFL Insider Mike Sando compiled his rankings of starting QB's, with the help of 35 NFL personnel guys.

The rankings placed QB's in 4 tiers. Andy was tied for 18th overall, with Kaepernick...which has him low in the 3rd tier...which is described as "quarterbacks who are good enough to start but need lots of support, making it tougher to contend at the highest level".

Here are a couple of comments from those who voted on the rankings...

"I like Dalton, but I've seen him enough times to know his receivers have to make plays for him," a personnel director said. "He has had good receivers making big catches. I saw him being so sporadic needing a win to go into the playoffs or being a wild-card team, and playing terrible. He was the reason they lost."

"Dalton can play as a high 3 or a low 3," a different personnel director said. "He has to win with his head and his short accuracy and the pieces around him. They have given him good pieces around him. The injuries at wideout really hurt him [in the playoffs]. He cannot carry the load, but he is solid. He is a win-with quarterback, not a win-because-of quarterback."

Read more @ CincyJungle and ESPN

(07-25-2015, 04:11 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: Dalton owned the Colts the year before when he had healthy players.  

(07-25-2015, 05:56 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Doesn't have anything to do with how he played last year. Besides what you are really saying is that the receivers owned the Colts 2013 since clearly without AJ Green the Bengals could barely get a first down all game. Not a vote of confidence that Dalton can get it done with average Joes in at WR.

(07-28-2015, 02:43 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: So just ignore Dalton's 120.5 QB rating, 3 TDs, and 68.6% completion percentage in that game? Just because his receivers did well? Doesn't make any sense.

And Dalton did have to get it done with average Joes at receiver. He had to do it against the Falcons, Panthers, Colts, Ravens, and Broncos.

He went 3-1-1.

Falcons: 116.6 QB rating, 65.2% completion percentage, 1 passing touchdown.
Panthers: 93.5 QB rating, 76.7% completion percentage, 2 passing touchdowns.
Colts: 55.4 QB rating, 47.4% completion percentage, 0 touchdowns.
Ravens: 89.3 QB rating, 75% completion percentage, 2 rushing touchdowns.
Broncos: 93.1 QB rating, 68% completion percentage, 2 passing touchdowns.

So they beat two playoff teams, tied one, and lost to one while Dalton had to work with average Joe receivers. Had above a 93 Qb rating in 3 out of 5 games. Above an 89 in 4 out of 5.

So is Dalton going to be given credit there? Or is it all on Sanu, Tate, and Gresham?

(07-28-2015, 03:15 PM)blt4584 Wrote: For some of those games, mainly the Broncos game, the stats are a bit misleading due to the types of plays being run.

During the Denver game, Dalton was dreadful when asked to throw the ball more than about 5 yards past the LOS, so the staff adjusted and mainly started calling screens and dumpoffs. As a result, the numbers, other than yards, look ok but he still needed to be protected in a major way.

(07-28-2015, 03:21 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Falcons: 252 passing yards
Panthers: 323 passing yards, 25 rushing yards
Colts: 126 passing yards
Ravens: 266 passing yards, 14 rushing yards (only included because of the 2 rushing TDs)
Broncos: 146 passing yards, 25 rushing yards.

So basically the Denver and Colts game are the two where the yards aren't high. And why did Dalton need to be 'protected'? The running game was working extremely well, so why would they turn to Dalton while they're up the entire game pretty much? They ran for 207 total yards. Why would you want to air it out while the run game is having THAT much success? Dalton did what was asked of him. Sorry he didn't put up 300 passing yards.

(07-28-2015, 03:21 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote:  Sorry he didn't put up 300 passing yards.