(09-18-2017, 11:27 AM)CageTheBengal Wrote: Does it really feel any better that the players had to force Marvin's hand to make a change? I mean yeah he's gone but it didn't come across like it was a move he thought was necessary at the moment so if the near mutiny hadn't happened it would've been business as usual with Marv and the Bengals giving someone way too many chances past their expiration date.

Brad St Louis
Mike Nugent
John Thorton
Kyle Cook
Eric Ghiuchucka
Keiwan Ratliff


are some of the guys who come off of the top of my head who had way too many chances despite clearly sucking. I guess my point is it doesn't really matter to me what this team does at this point (unless something crazy like a playoff win.) Marvin still gives me no hope of winning a Superbowl. He fails to adapt to situations time and time again and when he does it's way too late and it the team had to pay too big of a price.

I mean Brad St Louis the long snapper ruined how many games for us? The freakin long snapper can't even be replaced quickly.

(09-18-2017, 11:49 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Major problem other than what was stated is that MB does not give total control to his HC's it seems.

(09-18-2017, 12:02 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Nope, he doesn't

Marvin said it during that awful presser after 2010 where ML was reupped. "Mike's got ultimate say" words to that effect. People keep this narrative going round here that Mike has let control go. And that Katie, Marvin and Duke are running most of the show. BS !!!!!

Mike is still calling the shots. He has to ok Zampese getting fired, he has to ok Dennis Roland being let go, Thorton, Nugent, Maualuga, and on and on. He even says who's playing - Ogbuehi and Fisher for example.

Make no mistake the real problem is above Marvin, and I'm not taking up for Marvin in any way ! He needed to be gone several years ago.

(09-18-2017, 12:07 PM)Millhouse Wrote: It feels a little better, but in the sense that making a change regardless of the reason is better than no change at all.

But overall I agree. As I said elsewhere, for the Bengals to win it all, they need a change at their 'model model' core that makes winning the top priority over all else. Maximize free agency, cut ties with shabby players before its too late, build an indoor facility, expand scouting department, bring in a new 'gm', etc.

(09-18-2017, 11:27 AM)CageTheBengal Wrote: Does it really feel any better that the players had to force Marvin's hand to make a change? I mean yeah he's gone but it didn't come across like it was a move he thought was necessary at the moment so if the near mutiny hadn't happened it would've been business as usual with Marv and the Bengals giving someone way too many chances past their expiration date.

(09-18-2017, 12:02 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Nope, he doesn't

Marvin said it during that awful presser after 2010 where ML was reupped. "Mike's got ultimate say" words to that effect. People keep this narrative going round here that Mike has let control go. And that Katie, Marvin and Duke are running most of the show. BS !!!!!

Mike is still calling the shots. He has to ok Zampese getting fired, he has to ok Dennis Roland being let go, Thorton, Nugent, Maualuga, and on and on. He even says who's playing - Ogbuehi and Fisher for example.

Make no mistake the real problem is above Marvin, and I'm not taking up for Marvin in any way ! He needed to be gone several years ago.

(09-18-2017, 12:32 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I agree that Mike is, and has always been, the ultimate problem. But, Marvin basically has had control of the roster and coaching staff (expect for maybe Alexander, who seems to be a lifetime appointee by Mike). Marvin talked about that during and interview this offseason. He said that he was heavily involved in the day to day process, working closely with Katie, although Mike still has the final call on bigger issues, like whether the team should have suspended Pacman or not.

The only reason I bring that up is because I think Mike, Katie and Marvin are basically a 3 headed monster at this point. I think they pretty much all operate under the same general philosophy and all have a very conservative approach. I think Marvin's decision making can be called question itself, which is why I don't know if I would trust him anymore than I do Mike or Katie...as far as having total control.

IDK, just my two cents. I'll stop rambling now.

(09-18-2017, 12:38 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'm with you. Group think happens a lot in family run businesses and businesses where the employees have been there forever.

I think they all probably would do things fairly similar.

(09-18-2017, 12:38 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I'm with you. Group think happens a lot in family run businesses and businesses where the employees have been there forever.

I think they all probably would do things fairly similar.

(09-18-2017, 12:46 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I still remember the quote from Katie a few years back when she said, "I think my Dad knows as much football as anyone out there.''

Of course, it's her dad and she's biased, but it still made me cringe.

(09-18-2017, 11:49 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Major problem other than what was stated is that MB does not give total control to his HC's it seems.

(09-18-2017, 12:51 PM)Quantum Bengal Wrote: Total control can be bad for a head coach if they aren't ready for GM duties.....but, letting someone like Katie make more calls with the roster can go a long way.  I think we've seen some of this lately....but, we need Mike to relinquish more!