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Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - BFritz21 - 09-19-2017 This brain scientist wouldn't let his son play football, but decided to dig deeper into the sport and found that football and CTE WERE NOT LINKED! I was blown away by this, so I started reading, and it's a lengthy read, but I couldn't stop reading it and it kills pretty much all of the narratives that we've been hearing lately. Quote:By Dr. Peter Cummings That basically says that people were chosen to have their brains studies don't necessarily represent the entire population and that the people who chose which brains to analyze cherry-picked because they knew their brains would show what they wanted them to show. Quote:Most of the published CTE cases are from former NFL players. How football might affect the brains of our youngest players, including my son, is a question the research hasn’t answered yet. That shows that when a child starts playing football and getting contact does not mean that someone will be more likely to develop problems or have CTE when they get older, which is telling because the brain is still developing until the age of 25(?), so damage early would mean they would be more likely to begin having problems that would last. There's also the mention of how other sports also have concussions, and you don't hear people calling for a stop in those. I think that just the overall violence and pressure of players to perform might be why players are depressed and why it gets so much more attention, but this was amazing to me. I didn't say too much because I didn't want to influence other people's opinions, but let me know what you think. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - PhilHos - 09-19-2017 RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - Yojimbo - 09-19-2017 For the one millionth time CTE DOESN'T ONLY COME FROM CONCUSSIONS. Yes there is a lot of science still to study on the condition. The fact that you can't test for it until a person is dead makes a very hard subject to study. I wouldn't doubt for a second that boxers, mma, hockey players and even professional (scripted) wrestlers all suffer from CTE. The entire second write-up assumes the media is telling everyone you only have to get one concussion anytime in your life for any reason and you'll get CTE. The reason it's so prevalent in professional athletes is because by the time they retire, they've been smashing heads for 20+ years starting in middle school. As opposed to not playing again after high school and you have maybe 6-8 years of the sport. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - PhilHos - 09-19-2017 (09-19-2017, 03:37 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: For the one millionth time CTE DOESN'T ONLY COME FROM CONCUSSION. Yes there is a lot of science still to study on the condition. The fact that you can't test for it until a person is dead makes a very hard subject to study. I'm willing to volunteer the entire Steelers organization for further study. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - sonofstat - 09-19-2017 I'm no brain surgeon but i would think any activity which involves 300lb+ men repeatedly using their skulls to force violent collisions is not gonna end well for some players further down the line. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - jason - 09-19-2017 (09-19-2017, 04:42 PM)sonofstat Wrote: I'm no brain surgeon but i would think any activity which involves 300lb+ men repeatedly using their skulls to force violent collisions is not gonna end well for some players further down the line. And that's only part of it. Take a good look at Deshawn Watson's head hit the ground when Geno smashed him. Watch Bondine's head bounce off the turf when he was tackled by Watt. Jeremy Hill straight up landed on the crown of his head diving for a 1st down. They can try and take head shots outta the game, but that's only part of the equation. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - Murdock2420 - 09-19-2017 (09-19-2017, 03:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I'm willing to volunteer the entire Steelers organization for further study. No need, the connection between steroids and disease is already well documented. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - BmorePat87 - 09-22-2017 So playing football is as bad for your brain as drug overdoses and seizures. It's not so much that he's saying they're not linked, he's questioning whether or not the methodology can truly prove that they are linked and seems to be suggesting it's not as widespread as the study and media wants people to believe it is. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - BFritz21 - 09-22-2017 (09-19-2017, 04:42 PM)sonofstat Wrote: I'm no brain surgeon but i would think any activity which involves 300lb+ men repeatedly using their skulls to force violent collisions is not gonna end well for some players further down the line. I'm no CTE specialist, but I'd think that 300+ linemen are less-likely to get CTE than running backs or linebackers (or maybe even receivers) because they typically line up so close to the people that they're blocking that there's no room to get enough speed to make a collision that would rattle the brain. I'm sure it can't be healthy, but it just seems like a linebacker that has a few yards head-start would cause it more to a running back with a few yards head-start colliding at the line. Then again, sometimes linemen do block linebackers and, even if they didn't, the fact that they have contact every play, even if minor, would make the frequency more apt to cause problems down the line, even if not CTE. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - grampahol - 09-23-2017 One thing that IS absolutely true of the media, if it bleeds it leads. Journalism has always attracted a certain amount of sensationalism. That's to be expected as they have to compete for eyeballs just like the NFL. When I see stories claiming that fentynol is 1000 times stronger than heroin I have to laugh. It's not that people don't overdose, they do, but not everyone does. I was once a heroin addict and have been around people overdosing and have revived several people myself so I do know a bit of what I'm talking about. On the flip side my 88 year old father has used fentynol patches now for several years for severe spinal stenosis. He's still alive and has never overdosed. I change his fentynol patches for him every 3 days and if it were true that it's 1000 times stronger than heroin I would die every time I touch one of his patches. Obviously neither of us are dead yet. This doesn't stop certain members of the media circus from making the outrageous claims because they want headlines at just about any cost even exaggerating to the point of scaring my dad into sometimes wanting to risk severe pain and withdrawal from his pain medication. The CTE issue is pretty much the same nonsense to scare us all to believe WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! Well of course we're all gonna die, but not right now. I'd estimate that a good 90% of everyone who is reading post right now has at some point in time played football and I'd estimate that 100% of you are still alive as of right now. And yes, you're all going to die, but not right now. My dad played football with a leather helmet. He's 88 now soon to be 89. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - PikesPeakUC - 09-23-2017 (09-23-2017, 12:57 PM)grampahol Wrote: One thing that IS absolutely true of the media, if it bleeds it leads. Journalism has always attracted a certain amount of sensationalism. That's to be expected as they have to compete for eyeballs just like the NFL. It would be really hard for the dead people who have played football and died to reply to this, so I'd believe you on that one. Everyone wants to scream sensationalism because it hasn't happened to them or hasn't affected their lives, and yet we have multiple studies who bear fruit relating the two sides. Multiple head traumas experienced in football deteriorates the brain. It happens and can affect quality of life. There are athletes, guys who have made their living playing the game, who now say they would not let their kids do so. That's new and not insignificant. It's easy to shun these reports, mainly because we never see the effects of them in our day to day life, but there continues to be more and more evidence that it's happening and it's real. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - Yojimbo - 01-18-2018 New study out linking sub-concussive hits to CTE: https://academic.oup.com/brain/advance-article/doi/10.1093/brain/awx350/4815697 RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - 6andcounting - 01-21-2018 (09-19-2017, 03:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I'm willing to volunteer the entire Steelers organization for further study. You don't know how hard I'd laugh if I hear Burfict or Pacman want to donate their brains. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - rfaulk34 - 01-21-2018 (01-21-2018, 08:21 PM)6andcounting Wrote: You don't know how hard I'd laugh if I hear Burfict or Pacman want to donate their brains. What brains? RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - grampahol - 01-22-2018 It's a bit like saying there's no link between getting your fingers cut off and table saws because you can get your fingers cut off plenty of other ways. Sharp or even dull knives, hatchets, chain saws, big mean dogs and so on. It's kind of like guns don't kill people, people kill people..Well duh.. Football is only one of many many different ways to get a concussion .. Car wrecks, boxing, falling down steps and so on . Unfortunately many people are pretty intellectually lazy and draw on only one very small sample size to draw huge conclusions and the media will latch on to anything to sell ads and sensationalize something to try to convince you that one very small aspect of just about anything IS GOING TO KILL YOU.. Drinking water can be deadly..if you drink ,oh, let's say 100 gallons a day.. Don't forget, dihydrogen monoxide kills millions of people every year so it should be banned! And while we're at it, ban hydric acid! The stuff is just too dangerous. Why, I bet your kids are dropping hydric acid without even telling you. That's the latest fad you know.. Teenagers daring each other to try hydric acid and god only knows where that might lead them! And don't overlook oxidane and the ever dangerous 7732-18-5. Step in a puddle of 7732-18-5 and your socks may end up rotting.. RE: Brain Scientist: Football and CTE Are NOT Linked - J24 - 01-22-2018 Football is dangerous and it's not like this is news to anybody. I don't know why people get suprised by hitting your head/Using it as a weapon is not good for you. I also don't get why people thinks it will be banned. People go to war so they can get a free college but there not going to play football for that and possibly a million dollars. Also if you think hearing about a football player sucide once in a while is sad then look what happens to our troops with suicide rates. |