(10-02-2017, 11:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I could see the Packers giving us something for Hill (something low), but I don't know which team would need a QB badly enough to give that 1st rounder Mike Brown has deemed McCarron to be worth.

(10-02-2017, 11:30 PM)Andy2AJ Wrote: I agree with you, but we are letting time slip away, you can't just let the guy walk. Last year, we were expecting to trade him for a first round guy, now they need to trade him or hill for someone that will help this year if we expect to advance further past 16 games. Hopefully we can through Marvin in for a pick to be named later

(10-02-2017, 11:35 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, Mike Brown is the GM and the owner and he can't be fired so he mostly certainly CAN just let the guy walk.  I can't read Mike Brown's mind but his actions lead me to believe he's not going to bother trading him for less than a 1st round pick and then letting him walk in FA and getting a comp pick. There is always that defense that we are one hit away from losing Dalton for a few games or the season and we'll need McCarron to step in and steer the ship, so we can't just trade him for anything less than the holy grail and a Faberge Egg.

I'm skeptical we could trade Hill for much of anything much less a player who could make an immediate impact this season.  It's just not like us to make big moves like this.  That stuff is for teams that have HC's and GMs that are worried about losing their jobs and don't care what happens to the franchise after they are fired.

(10-02-2017, 11:28 PM)sloSTI Wrote: I don't know who the Vikings have as a backup, but with Cook going down, they could also be in the running for Hill.

(10-02-2017, 11:30 PM)Andy2AJ Wrote: I agree with you, but we are letting time slip away, you can't just let the guy walk. Last year, we were expecting to trade him for a first round guy, now they need to trade him or hill for someone that will help this year if we expect to advance further past 16 games. Hopefully we can through Marvin in for a pick to be named later

(10-03-2017, 01:26 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: They have Murray from the Raiders who they pay $5 million a year and Jerrick McKinnon.

(10-02-2017, 11:30 PM)Andy2AJ Wrote: I agree with you, but we are letting time slip away, you can't just let the guy walk. Last year, we were expecting to trade him for a first round guy, now they need to trade him or hill for someone that will help this year if we expect to advance further past 16 games. Hopefully we can through Marvin in for a pick to be named later

(10-03-2017, 01:36 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It all depends on the offer. Hill likely brings a 5th round pick if he leaves via free agency. Any offer less than a 5th is not a good deal for us unless they just want to save money by not paying Hill the rest of 2017. Also, we have 3 RB's, so not sure I a want to go down to 2 RB's for nothing in return, it is a long season.

(10-02-2017, 11:23 PM)Andy2AJ Wrote: With the season possibly on the line Sunday, when do we trade 1 or both of these guys? What should we expect in return for them? I had heard we were offered a few weeks ago a 2nd round pick for aj but turned it down.
With the way gio has been playing and mixon looking good hill looks like possible trade bait since he is going into FA also.

If we win on Sunday we have to move one or both as we will lose them at the end of the year anyways. If we can go out and get someone who can help the O-line now and get a draft pick for the other, we need to do it. I'm curious as to what your thoughts are and if hill will also get traded, as mccarron is a no brainer as you have to get something out of him. I understand driskel is hurt but you could call kitna at age 50 if something were to happen to dalton.

(10-02-2017, 11:23 PM)Andy2AJ Wrote: With the season possibly on the line Sunday, when do we trade 1 or both of these guys? What should we expect in return for them? I had heard we were offered a few weeks ago a 2nd round pick for aj but turned it down.
With the way gio has been playing and mixon looking good hill looks like possible trade bait since he is going into FA also.

If we win on Sunday we have to move one or both as we will lose them at the end of the year anyways. If we can go out and get someone who can help the O-line now and get a draft pick for the other, we need to do it. I'm curious as to what your thoughts are and if hill will also get traded, as mccarron is a no brainer as you have to get something out of him. I understand driskel is hurt but you could call kitna at age 50 if something were to happen to dalton.

(10-03-2017, 02:45 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Here's why I think Mike Brown values McCarron so much:

Bruce Gradkowski - 3 years, $5 million (his 2013 contract with the Steelers...I couldn't find details on his Bengals contract)
Jason Campbell - 1 year, $1.5 million
AJ McCarron - 4 years, $2.4 million (600k average)

Plus you have to consider that even backup QB salaries have been on the rise.

So not only does he get a backup at a great discount, he also gets another sweet compensatory pick when McCarron's deal is up.

Sure, trading Mac could help the team now, but Mike has always placed heavy value on bargains. Just look at how we've approached FA through the years. Mostly signing 1st round busts or questionable characters. Mike's love for bargains has shaped this team through the years and just goes to show that his influence is still pretty strong, despite all the talk that he backed off.

(10-04-2017, 11:13 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You state MB getting bargains as a bad thing. It would be if he was like the Browns and other teams that spend 40 million a year less than the Bengals. MB spends money so quit the attck of him being cheap, he is one of the smallest market team owners, yet spends more than a lot of NFL owners looking at it year over year.

Also, AJ is a backup QB who was developed and drafted by us. He signed a contract so no different than those who sign deals that benefit the individual player like Hall and others had, MB honors all contracts good (for team) and bad (only good for the player) so he is consistent.

(10-04-2017, 12:37 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: You're putting a lot of words in my mouth and creating strawmen to argue against. My real opinion is that some of the bargains actually are good for the team, but that constant mindset of looking for bargains in free agency and overvaluing of compensatory picks can also limit our options.

We've missed out on the opportunity to capitalize on a very talented core by ignoring quality talent while in search of bargain bin free agents. It also seems we've been more inclined to let some key players go because of the compensatory pick thing.

Basically, I think this approach would be good in moderation, but the Bengals seem to adhere to those methods religiously. I think it's obvious we're seeing the downfall of Mike's passive and frugal approach to FA right now. We still have a talented core, but the o-line has been severely neglected and the team is now 7-12-1 in their last 20 games. So we never got over the hump and now we're regressing.

Since you seem to disagree, what do you think went wrong?

(10-05-2017, 11:57 AM)psychdoctor Wrote: The window to trade AJ McCarron is closed for now.  The Cincinnati Bengals would be lucky to get a bag of salt for Jeremy Hill.

Sorry fans these two players are not going anywhere and the Bengals unless something drastically happens will get nothing in return (except compensation picks).