(11-09-2017, 05:21 AM)The Caped Crusader Wrote: Oh, another thread talking about 'issues' but really is a thread disguised so we can ***** about Dalton some more.

(11-09-2017, 05:28 AM)bengalsturntup5532 Wrote: Sorry your feelings are hurt ,I'm sure the Dalton army will swarm in by tomorrow and say I'm a dumb ass, and to jump ship if I don't like Dalton and it's all o line cause he only has .5 seconds to release,and everything will be all better and Superbowl bound when we spend a couple years on the o line drafting absolute studs lol

Quote:Oh, another thread talking about 'issues' but really is a thread disguised so we can ***** about Dalton some more.

(11-09-2017, 05:32 AM)The Caped Crusader Wrote: I had to go back and re-read what I said. I know it's late, perhaps I stated that my feelings were in fact hurt by a not so thoroughly thought out, repetitive, roughly written, irrelevant post with zero logic, reasoning or examples. Hold on, let's see.





Hmm. Yeah, I didn't state that anywhere.

Ironically, you just went on to actually insult your original argument by attempting to insult the "Dalton army."

Traditionally speaking, yes, successful teams have successful offensive lines...that's crazy. Who would've thought...I mean, I guess someone with little to no Football IQ...Hm.

(11-09-2017, 05:38 AM)bengalsturntup5532 Wrote: Yeah all the insults and bitterness= butthurt over Dalton. The usual.

Quote:Weaknesses

Surrounded by an NFL-caliber supporting cast with a very good offensive line that provides a lot of time to dissect the field. Does not have a big-time, vertical arm. Average athlete. Makes occasional bone-headed decisions. Heaves the deep ball and forces receivers to make adjustments. Does not drive the deep out.

Quote:Pocket awareness: This is one area where McCarron is going to have to prove himself. He played behind one of the best offensive lines in college football throughout his career. As a result, he hasn't had to work within a messy pocket as often as most quarterbacks. Still, McCarron has shown an inability to recognized or anticipate the blitz pre snap. He struggles when reacting to pressure as well, often bailing on the pocket too soon or allowing the pressure to screw with his mechanics and decision making.

Quote:Final Word:

Based on his talent, however, McCarron looks like a fourth round pick at best. He is the No. 11 quarterback in our latest rankings.

Quote:[b]Mechanics[/b]

He has a strong over-the-top delivery and good follow through. He has solid footwork on delivery and follow through and keeps the ball high and does not let it drop, even when moving in the pocket. Dalton throws from his shoulder and doesn’t drop the nose of the ball. Has a quick and compact release.
 
[b]Pocket awareness/poise[/b]
A four-year starter for TCU, Dalton is a poised and tough leader who teammates will follow. He has won three Most Valuable Player awards in four Bowl Game appearances at TCU. Dalton does not get rattled in the pocket and can use his mobility to escape if the pocket breaks down. He has a calm about himself in the pocket and is not afraid to stand in until the last minute and take a big hit.

(11-09-2017, 04:12 AM)bengalsturntup5532 Wrote: Ownership , Coaching , and yeah QB also . Im especially frustrated with Coaching and Qb i want them both to just go away. I know Dalton has a army of die hard supporters who will fight to the death for him. But i cant stand his inaccuracy any longer. That one throw he missed up the sidelines to Aj is not a hard throw for a NFL qb to make. If you launch that out of bounds ,I have no hope for you. Every week it's a hand full of throws you can just check mark down that will be overthrown . These are the same throws he came in with in preseason his rookie year,his accuracy is just that inconsistent and bad for your starter ,I don't care what stats people bring up. I see it with my own eyes each game. Also watch the all 22 with goodberry and not only accuracy but he never climbs the pocket when it's available.

(11-09-2017, 09:04 AM)Synric Wrote: And yet even the best deep ball Quarterbacks only make it 50% of the time...

(11-09-2017, 07:31 AM)Bengalboy Wrote: Last season we knew the line wasn't great and needed attention, before this season we knew it had lost its 2 best players, during the season we are seeing the fruits of it all.

Sure Andy isn't an elite QB and he is making mistakes. I think he is seeing Ghosts a bit no doubt. But what the hell do you expect. When you are running for your life 98% of the time. You think he can predict the 2% of the time he doesn't have to run for his life. Each play he is probably mentally ready to get decked. You cant play football effectively with that kind of mental pressure.

Everything this year is down to the Line. Lack of running game .... everything.

Sad thing is i have Zero hope this gets fixed in 1 off-season. We would need multiple FA pickups and a solid Draft of O-line. I just don't see it happening in one off-season.

(11-09-2017, 10:51 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: We could put Tom Brady behind the Cincinnati offensive line and he would look terrible.

(11-09-2017, 07:31 AM)Bengalboy Wrote: Last season we knew the line wasn't great and needed attention, before this season we knew it had lost its 2 best players, during the season we are seeing the fruits of it all.

Sure Andy isn't an elite QB and he is making mistakes. I think he is seeing Ghosts a bit no doubt. But what the hell do you expect. When you are running for your life 98% of the time. You think he can predict the 2% of the time he doesn't have to run for his life. Each play he is probably mentally ready to get decked. You cant play football effectively with that kind of mental pressure.

Everything this year is down to the Line. Lack of running game .... everything.

Sad thing is i have Zero hope this gets fixed in 1 off-season. We would need multiple FA pickups and a solid Draft of O-line. I just don't see it happening in one off-season.

(11-09-2017, 10:51 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: We could put Tom Brady behind the Cincinnati offensive line and he would look terrible.

(11-09-2017, 11:12 AM)Wyche Wrote: Someone is paying attention.....good post.  Kinda funny a guy from the UK knows football better than some of our fans who have grown up with the sport.

(11-09-2017, 12:37 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I feel that the order of problems regarding those "Top 3" go like:
1) Front Office/ownership
2) Coaching
3) QB

The FO/ownership decides contracts, who to bring in, who to let go, etc. (Some of) the coaches definitely have some say in those things, but ultimately they aren't driving the ship. It was the FO/ownership who decided to let the good OL leave and not offer enough to keep those players here, and the team and the fans are stuck with a terrible OL. FO/ownership is also the most accountable for such a small scouting department that the coaches are expected to also do this role on top of their normal role. That's a lot to put on a coach to also be a scout.

The coaching though is then responsible for developing the talent on the team, and certain coaches have really been dropping the ball for awhile. The most obvious is Paul Alexander. The Bengals haven't drafted a good OL since Kevin Zeitler in 2012, which was five years ago. Now due to the FO/ownership's trust that the coaches would do the necessary to get these players coached up to be good, they've all but buried any chance of success (for this year anyway).

Now onto Dalton. The only negative I'll say about him is he's not a top 10 QB. He depends on having certain pieces around him, but he can get the Bengals deep in the playoffs if certain pieces are available to help him through the whole year. Last year and especially this year, he hasn't had that. He's not able to make plays happen with a shotty OL and/or no-name receivers.

If this franchise is going to turn around, it needs a philosophy change by the FO/ownership first and foremost. That then needs to trickle down to better coaches, and lastly to a better QB (potentially).